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14/6/2016 at 5:33pm
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Maxip, it's not difficult honestly :)

The maximum braked towing weight of your vehicle is easily googleable, or your local dealership will be able to confirm what it is.

The max weight of your caravan will be on a small metal plate on the side or on the A-frame by the towing hitch, i *think* some might be in the gas locker. If you're worried, your local caravan dealership should be able to help you.

Then, as long as the car can legally tow more than the caravan can weigh, you'll be ok

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It's not a 'rule', it's a suggestion, hence the added apostrophes, I'm sorry, I should have made allowances for those with no understanding of irony.



suggesting that somebody tow a trailer that's nearly half a tonne heavier than what their car can cope with isn't ironic, it's downright stupid


I think you'll find their is only one guy that would suggest that you tow a carvan that is too heavy for your car, It aint opensauce, you never know he might be on soon

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Then, as long as the car can legally tow more than the caravan can weigh, you'll be ok

so your car weighs 1450 kgs your max tow is 1900KG

WHAT WEIGHT WOULD YOU SUGGEST TOWING NELLIE

Bessie


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As i have stated before i can tow 3500kg braked behind my disco quite legal.
Would i ?

KW 2718 KG
KW 85% 2310 KG
On Road, normal driving

GVW 3230 KG
GTW 6730 KG
On Road under escort or orange lights in low ratio yes, because have full control with lower ratio etc.
GTW Rule

Anything it will take over the above KG
Off road whatever it will pull whatever the weight. as it be only me that will be killed. And not some poor other road user (My call my law )

So you can see why the 85% guide is out there

Post last edited on 14/06/2016 19:46:01

Post last edited on 14/06/2016 19:55:34

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 14/6/2016

Then, as long as the car can legally tow more than the caravan can weigh, you'll be ok

so your car weighs 1450 kgs your max tow is 1900KG

WHAT WEIGHT WOULD YOU SUGGEST TOWING NELLIE

Bessie



bessie, what on earth are you on about?

my mid-life-crisis-girlie convertable weighs 1706 Kg
Therefore the 85 percenters would say that i can tow 1450Kg,
The manufacturer however states it can tow only 1095Kg, nearly half a tonne LESS than the 85 percenters would have you believe is safe to do. Should I choose to be an idiot and put a 1450 trailer behind it, I would be breaking the law as the unit would be classed as unsafe and unfit for the road

The 85% "recommendation" is at worst dangerous to cite as a recommendation to people, and at best, downright bloody stupid because not ALL cars can tow that much.

And to really confuse you Bessie, my tow vehicle weighs 2.2 tonnes and can legally tow 3.2 tonnes with a train weight of 5950Kg. So that doesn't adhere to the 85% recommendation either. I dont suppose the Amarok would have sold many units if it could only legally pull 1870Kg

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14/6/2016 at 11:38pm
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My question nellie is based on this advice

Maxip, it's not difficult honestly :)

The maximum braked towing weight of your vehicle is easily googleable, or your local dealership will be able to confirm what it is.

The max weight of your caravan will be on a small metal plate on the side or on the A-frame by the towing hitch, i *think* some might be in the gas locker. If you're worried, your local caravan dealership should be able to help you.

Then, as long as the car can legally tow more than the caravan can weigh, you'll be ok

so if you max tow is 1900kg and your caravan is say 1700kg laden is that ok in your eyes when you kerbweight is say 1500kgs ??

As for convertables having a lower tow weight, its often the case, some french cars and american cars also have far lower tow weights than their kerbweight.

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Quote: Originally posted by Nellie72 on 14/6/2016
Just so you are aware, the 85% limit is an old fashioned rule of thumb and nowadays usually completely wrong. For example, my tow vehicle can tow well over its gross weight. However according to the 85% rule, my mid life crisis car ought to be able to pull 1450Kg. In reality it can't tow more than 1095Kg regardless of when I passed my test.

There are four weights you need;
1. the gross weight of the caravan (ie the maximum weight that the caravan is allowed to be)this will be on a small plate on the side of the caraven, my Bailey is just next to the door, my old horse trailer was on the A frame near the tow hitch

2. The maximum braked weight that your vehicle is allowed to tow
(for safety for older driving licenses this should be more than the gross weight of the caravan, for newer driving licences, this is the case anyway)

3. The maximum train weight for your vehicle (ie the maximum weight of the fully laden car plus your fully laden caravan)

4. The gross weight of your car

As long as 1 never exceeds 2 and 1 + 4 never exceeds 3, you should be ok




Your last bit is incorrect

This is 100% legal -
Car
GVW 2200
GTW 3600
Towing capacity 1400

Caravan
MTPLM 1500
MIRO 1200
Loaded with 200

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15/6/2016 at 4:09pm
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Hi Maxip,

Hope you do move to caravans - I did from a tent two years ago and I love it.

As you can see, towing weights divide people into factions and get them very animated, but the traditional 85% faction is by far the largest and, I think, for good reason.

Traditional advice is that the towing car should be heavier than whatever it tows. This is really just plain physics in that should the towed vehicle become unstable (high winds, overtaking lorries, having to swerve in an emergency) then it really helps to have a heavy towing vehicle to anchor the trailer/caravan and help steady it up. A car which is appreciably heavier than the caravan will also be less prone to feel unstable to the driver.

Since forever the advice (it isn't law) says that ideally the towed vehicle shouldn't be more than 85% the weight of the towing vehicle (though "very experienced" caravanners may wish to tow a caravan 100% the weight of the car).

For the avoidance of misunderstanding, the weights refer to a caravan which is fully loaded and a car which is unloaded except for fuel and a driver.

This advice goes back to the Ark, to a time when cars had drum brakes all-round, crossply tyres and as much power as a lawnmower. Modern cars have much more power, better brakes and suspension, better and bigger tyres, plus many electronic stability aids (some that even know when a caravan is attached and act accordingly).

Because cars nowadays are so much better, some caravanners say the 85% "rule" is outdated, and point to manufacturers towing limits that are often significantly more than the actual weight of the car.

For myself, I like the 85% advice - my caravan is around 73% the weight of my car at 1420Kg, the car being 1950Kg, although it's towing max is 2100Kg. On a couple of occasions I've had to drive in high winds and the weight of the car has been very reassuring, plus I've never liked the idea of the engine and transmission having to work at the limit all the time. Plus, at the end of the day physics is physics and heavy things will always swing light things around.

Trouble is that it's harder to keep the 85% ratio. caravans are getting heaver while cars are getting lighter (the new version of my car will weigh 150Kg less), which is driving people to heavy, thirsty 4x4s.

Hope this helps.


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For myself, I like the 85% advice - my caravan is around 73% the weight of my car at 1420Kg, the car being 1950Kg, although it's towing max is 2100Kg. On a couple of occasions I've had to drive in high winds and the weight of the car has been very reassuring, plus I've never liked the idea of the engine and transmission having to work at the limit all the time. Plus, at the end of the day physics is physics and heavy things will always swing light things around.

Trouble is that it's harder to keep the 85% ratio. caravans are getting heaver while cars are getting lighter (the new version of my car will weigh 150Kg less), which is driving people to heavy, thirsty 4x4s.

Hope this helps.

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thats is good advice and most stick to that anyway

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15/6/2016 at 5:02pm
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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 14/6/2016]

so if you max tow is 1900kg and your caravan is say 1700kg laden is that ok in your eyes when you kerbweight is say 1500kgs ??

Bessie      




If you are legally allowed to do so, then there is no reason why you should not. However I doubt very much you'll find a car that weights 1500 that is allowed to tow 1900!!!

Putting it back on you; so if your max tow is 1050kg and your caravan is say 1450kg laden is that ok in your eyes when you kerbweight is say 1750Kgs?? After all, it hits your 85% rule. And no, I wouldn't do that, because I'm not an imbecile.



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Well was thinking of a tow car of about 1.500 to tow a van about a 1000 or around that like I quoted in my original post small 2 berth plder van like avondale dart or similar


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If you are legally allowed to do so, then there is no reason why you should not. However I doubt very much you'll find a car that weights 1500 that is allowed to tow 1900!!!

Ok brand new skoda superb, kerbweight 1450 max tow 2000kgs and thats just one, ford vauxhall vw all have cars that have towing limits way above the kerbweight

Putting it back on you; so if your max tow is 1050kg and your caravan is say 1450kg laden is that ok in your eyes when you kerbweight is say 1750Kgs?? After all, it hits your 85% rule. And no, I wouldn't do that, because I'm not an imbecile.

No because that is illegal.

So would you tow a 1800 or 2000kg caravan with a skoda superb weighing in at 1450kgs or any other car providing it's legal ?

Bessie


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Well was thinking of a tow car of about 1.500 to tow a van about a 1000 or around that like I quoted in my original post small 2 berth plder van like avondale dart or similar.

Perfect

Bessie


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Quote: Originally posted by Nellie72 on 15/6/2016
Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 14/6/2016]

so if you max tow is 1900kg and your caravan is say 1700kg laden is that ok in your eyes when you kerbweight is say 1500kgs ??

Bessie      




If you are legally allowed to do so, then there is no reason why you should not. However I doubt very much you'll find a car that weights 1500 that is allowed to tow 1900!!!

Putting it back on you; so if your max tow is 1050kg and your caravan is say 1450kg laden is that ok in your eyes when you kerbweight is say 1750Kgs?? After all, it hits your 85% rule. And no, I wouldn't do that, because I'm not an imbecile.




If the max tow is 1050 then it cannot be loaded to 1450


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Thank you ROG,

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 15/6/2016


So would you tow a 1800 or 2000kg caravan with a skoda superb weighing in at 1450kgs or any other car providing it's legal ?

Bessie



If I was legal to do so, YES!!! however the skoda you quote is a 4x4 and not a common garden car; in the same way i can LEGALLY tow over 3 tonnes in my 2 tonne vw, because it's a 4x4 and not a bog standard 2wd car

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