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via mobile 18/8/2021 at 9:35am
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Thanks Ian.

Auto or manual? 2wd or 4wd? If you don't answer the questions we can't give sensible answers.

Early indications show that this caravan may be too heavy for the car so the correct information is extremely important.

Rob


18/8/2021 at 9:49am
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Quote: Originally posted by Rob and Tina on 18/8/2021
Thanks Ian.

Auto or manual? 2wd or 4wd? If you don't answer the questions we can't give sensible answers.

Early indications show that this caravan may be too heavy for the car so the correct information is extremely important.

Rob




You are correct regarding the weight of the caravan as the basic Tucson can only tow up to 1400kg however 2.0L diesel can tow up to 1600kg.   I am almost certain that it will exceed the 3500kg limit requiring the B+E. Kerbweight can anything between 1548- 1773kg. Need info off V5 to be able to help further.


via mobile 18/8/2021 at 10:14am
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Ian, we looked at the 2wd model many years ago and even with the 2.0 diesel they had a max tow of 1400kg. I agree that a B+E licence looks inevitable with this, luckily the OP has a B&M licence! The exact vehicle details would help.

Rob


18/8/2021 at 10:19am
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Quote: Originally posted by Rob and Tina on 18/8/2021
Ian, we looked at the 2wd model many years ago and even with the 2.0 diesel they had a max tow of 1400kg. I agree that a B+E licence looks inevitable with this, luckily the OP has a B&M licence! The exact vehicle details would help.

Rob


The 2008 AWD drive can tow up to 1600kg, but at the moment we have no idea of the specs of the exact model of Tucson.


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It's a manual CRDi 16v. Who thought this would be so complicated. 😪


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It's not complicated if you just answer the questions. What's so difficult about that?
Many people on this forum are very knowledgeable experienced towers so if you need the right advice then you've come to the right place. If you don't provide the answers that are being asked then you are just wasting time trying to get the answers you need.


via mobile 18/8/2021 at 11:23am
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2wd or 4wd?

As we have all said, we need the answers to give you some sensible advice otherwise we are all wasting our time.

It's not complicated but I'm surprised that you appear to have had a caravan for some time and don't seem to have sorted this out earlier.

Rob


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It.s a 4wd. I've got 2 berth at the mo, but getting 4 berth soon , that's why I asked the question. I ment to say B&E not B&M ha. Is the anything else you need to know


18/8/2021 at 2:17pm
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Skell

I don't mean to be rude, but is your post actually a serious one?

I ask because, as Rob has said, I find it very surprising and quite alarming that you appear to have taken a B+E test, and to have been towing a caravan for a while, but you clearly have no idea about safe or legal towing weights.

Assuming that this is a genuine query, could I respectfully suggest that you do some homework for yourself. Car engine size is not a reliable guide to towing capability, and number of berths is no guide at all to caravan weight! You need the following information:

- Towing limit of the car. The best place to get this from is the VIN plate, which will either be inside the engine bay or inside one of the door pillars. The first weight given will be the maximum permissible weight of the car when fully loaded, the second will be the maximum permissible weight of the car and a trailer combined. The difference between the two is the maximum weight of a trailer you can legally tow.

- Kerb weight / mass in service (the two terms are used interchangeably) of the car. This should be on the V5.

- The Mass in Running Order (MIRO) and Maximum Technically Permissible Laden Mass (MTPLM) of the caravan. Both of these weights will be on a metal plate, which will be either near the bottom of the door or on the drawbar. MIRO is the weight of the caravan as it left the factory (note that this does not include retrospectively fitted options such as motor mover, or accessories such as leisure battery). MTPLM, as the name implies is the maximum that your caravan can weigh when loaded.

To ensure a legal towing combination, you should look for a car that has a towing limit equal to or higher than the MTPLM of your caravan. Sensibly, the kerb weight of the car should also be higher than the MTPLM (though this is not actually a legal requirement). Long-standing guidance is that the caravan should not weigh more than about 85% of the car's kerb weight, particularly if you are new to towing. However, this recommendation is crude at best and a few % either way is unlikely to make any significant difference.

Provide us with ALL of the weights above, together with your own thoughts as to how well matched the car and caravan are on this basis, and if you are going wrong anywhere we can give you a steer. However, if you only supply partial information, or other details that aren't relevant, I'm sorry but we really can't help you.



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18/8/2021 at 3:37pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Skell on 18/8/2021
It.s a 4wd. I've got 2 berth at the mo, but getting 4 berth soon , that's why I asked the question. I ment to say B&E not B&M ha. Is the anything else you need to know



If the vehicle is the 4WD, caravan 1450kg MTPLM and you have a B+E driving licence, then there should be no issue as I think the 2.0L 4WD with kerbweight 1733kg can legally tow up to a maximum of 1600kg. All this info should be on your V5 document.



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