Had a fixed tow bar on my last car, had it removed and had a removable tow bar fitted for numerous reasons.
1..Used to take the car off road. Grounded out the towbar on numerous occasions.
2.. car too long to fit in garage with tow bar attached.
3.. Needed shorter parking spaces in supermarket shopping parks etc.etc.
What I am saying is there is some reasons one would choose fixed as apposed to removable, and vice verser, so could well be a genuine mistake, lack of communication maybe.
Latest motor has deployable towbar now. Press of a button. Therefore no issue's ietherway.
My take on this would be that car was left at garage to do the job. The job was allocated. The fitter fitted the towbar after removing existing one. Why would he question that ?
It would seem as inconceivable to him as it would to me that anybody would bring a car in for towbar fitting without actually knowing it already had a towbar fitted so he would have assumed customer wanted towbar changed for whatever reason.
Plenty of firms take the attitude to their employees that their job is to do what they are told & not ask questions. Initiative is not rewarded so the attitude of employees is that they do whatever they are told no matter how odd the request seems.
Quote: Originally posted by gray871 on 23/8/2023
Answer to Colin21
Hi Colin the reason I had a detachable towbar fitted to my Kuga was where I worked in Wakefield city centre the parking was a narrow road so the extra 6 inch when the towbar was removed gave me the option of parking closer to the building
Graham
Hi Graham, my comment wasn't intended as a criticism or a judgement on anyone's personal choice, it was simply my own thoughts. Everyone has their own opinions and reasons for their own actions.
I'm probably just lazy as I know if I bought a car that had a detachable tow-ball I just wouldn't bother with keep taking it on and off. However, if I had such a vehicle I might be a bit concerned that someone might steal the tow-ball if they were easy to remove. Because of that I am pleased that my own vehicle has a fixed tow-ball that would require some serious tools to remove.
There is the possibility that they ordered the tow bar and then realised there was already a towbar fitted and could not return it. As the nephew had requested a fixed towbar they went ahead with the job.
Very underhand as most reputable companies would have advised that there was already a tow bar fitted with the hook part in the wheel well.
Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 24/8/2023
There is the possibility that they ordered the tow bar and then realised there was already a towbar fitted and could not return it. As the nephew had requested a fixed towbar they went ahead with the job.
Very underhand as most reputable companies would have advised that there was already a tow bar fitted with the hook part in the wheel well.
You credit employees at these places as having the sense they were born with. I recall an incident at a Halfords tyre place. I needed 1 tyre to replace one that was not repairable. Ok my bad for going to Halfords but they were cheapest for the tyre I wanted.
I asked the receptionist to replace the damaged tyre in the spare carrier. Put it on the back & put rear wheel into spare carrier. He took keys & asked me to wait in waiting room. The car was taken into workshop & I was looking through small window in door. That’s right. I didn’t trust them.
The fitter removed rear wheel & I could see he was about to remove good tyre. I shot into workshop & stopped him. I indicated damaged tyre in spare carrier. Fitter aggressively said he was only doing what he was told. None of these people appear to have an ounce of brain.
Receptionist then rushed in & told me the public were not allowed in workshop. I pointed out my reason for being there & they just acted like kids being caught doing something naughty.
I did get the job done as described. Glares all round from staff. If I had no knowledge of cars I would have sat in waiting room & ended up with a perfectly good tyre replaced & u/s tyre still in spare & known no different.
They are all the same. You have to watch them like hawks.
Hi Colin
I know you were not criticising just explaining why the removable tow ball worked for me at the time, although I have to admit since retiring I’ve not removed the tow ball, probably will at the end of season though as it’s getting harder and harder to kneel down to unlock it and remove it
Regards Graham
Quote: Originally posted by gray871 on 24/8/2023
Hi Colin
I know you were not criticising just explaining why the removable tow ball worked for me at the time, although I have to admit since retiring I’ve not removed the tow ball, probably will at the end of season though as it’s getting harder and harder to kneel down to unlock it and remove it
Regards Graham
Yes I know exactly what you mean. That's one of the main reasons I know I wouldn't bother. Getting down there isn't too bad, it's getting up again afterwards. I've been retired 10 years now so I have no parking issues where that extra 6" would make any difference. My previous car was longer anyway.
It is not just about common sense, being honourable comes into play re: the OP's nephew's situation.
The garage was dishonourable for not informing the young man in person that he had a perfectly good detachable tow bar already installed in his vehicle before going ahead in installing a new one as requested.
Yes they saw him coming, as in he did not check his vehicle well enough to find the detachable parts were stored deep inside the boot underneath the cover!
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Quote: Originally posted by dk168 on 24/8/2023
It is not just about common sense, being honourable comes into play re: the OP's nephew's situation.
The garage was dishonourable for not informing the young man in person that he had a perfectly good detachable tow bar already installed in his vehicle before going ahead in installing a new one as requested.
Yes they saw him coming, as in he did not check his vehicle well enough to find the detachable parts were stored deep inside the boot underneath the cover!
Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 23/8/2023
One of the reasons why I bought the car was because of the towbar however I was aware the detachable was missing, but thought I could buy just the part anyway.
Another thing I found out is that you cannot buy the detachable part only, you have to buy the towbar plus the detachable and that seem to apply to all brands. Your only hope is a private sale!
I suppose the argument would be that you wouldn't want one without the other. What do people do with the detachable part so that they come to lose it? I very much doubt that the manufacturers actually make or store the detachable parts separately, they just make the complete thing. Personally I have never really seen the point of detachable tow-bars, either you want to tow with your car or you don't. I doubt whether most people bother detaching it when they aren't using it, I know I certainly wouldn't if I had bought a car that already had one fitted. The last two cars I have bought already had a fixed tow-bar, and the one before that I had a fixed tow-bar fitted to.
Hi colin
my tow car used to always be my company car & i had to pay for the towbar fitting myself, when the car went back i always kept the the detachable arm and sold it on ebay or facebook, usually got between £60-£100 for it.
Quote: Originally posted by Paul_B on 25/8/2023
Its not uncommon for people to have tow bar with a removeable ball took off and replaced with fixed one.
There's plenty of horror stories where the caravan has parted from the car and still has the towball in the hitch.
Makes me even more glad I have always had a bolt-on tow-ball!
In 50 years of caravanning I have always had fixed towbars as they help protect back bumper when others park to close, Stuffs their bumper first. Also who wants to grovel under car fitting and removing on wet and muddy campsites
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Quote: Originally posted by billy on 24/8/2023
You credit employees at these places as having the sense they were born with. I recall an incident at a Halfords tyre place. I needed 1 tyre to replace one that was not repairable. Ok my bad for going to Halfords but they were cheapest for the tyre I wanted.
I asked the receptionist to replace the damaged tyre in the spare carrier. Put it on the back & put rear wheel into spare carrier. He took keys & asked me to wait in waiting room. The car was taken into workshop & I was looking through small window in door. That’s right. I didn’t trust them.
The fitter removed rear wheel & I could see he was about to remove good tyre. I shot into workshop & stopped him. I indicated damaged tyre in spare carrier. Fitter aggressively said he was only doing what he was told. None of these people appear to have an ounce of brain.
Receptionist then rushed in & told me the public were not allowed in workshop. I pointed out my reason for being there & they just acted like kids being caught doing something naughty.
I did get the job done as described. Glares all round from staff. If I had no knowledge of cars I would have sat in waiting room & ended up with a perfectly good tyre replaced & u/s tyre still in spare & known no different.
They are all the same. You have to watch them like hawks.
I had to have an AGM battery replaced in my Jeep as the battery is inside the cab. A few months later I found that they had fitted the incorrect battery. To give them due they changed it for the correct battery and refunded the difference, but it should not have happened in the first place!