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21/12/2008 at 12:28pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Jellybeans on 21/12/2008

 Surely DVLA have records of who has passed what test. seems to me that they are trying to either get drivers off the road or worse still cause drivers to un-wittingly be prosecuted for being unliecenced when they have taken the required tests, but DVLA seem to accept no responsibility of this.

COME ON DVLA GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER. 

A warning then is that if you have to send your licence away take a photocopy or 2 first of all your relevent catagories/name/address, check your new licence thoroughly when it arrives, then if anything is amiss contact them & e-mail them one of your photocopies to prove that you had the original entitlement


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Ok really stupid question time, I'm working towards my B+E (hubby a driving instructor) so am I allowed to tow with him in the car and do I need to put on an L plate?


09/5/2009 at 7:07pm
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Yes, providing his licence covers him to tow, and yes you need L plates clearly displayed at front and rear.

This query came up last year, with regard to practising on a motorway, and I sought advice from DSA and DVLA who confirmed that someone practising for the B + E test could legitimately go on a motorway but must display L plates and be accompanied by a full licence holder who already had the entitlement.



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09/5/2009 at 7:15pm
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thank you so much :)


12/5/2009 at 4:28pm
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Quote: Originally posted by motorway on 30/7/2008

 i passed my test on the 29th sept 1997 and i tow a 1600kgs caravan fully laden and i have no plans whatsoever to take a test with snobby know it all from the caravan club or i should say the over 50,s club .... as i know how to tow my van perfectly as i have being doing for the past 5 years , so for god sake just let us enjoying our towing and enjoying our holidays ...

 




But the question is simply are you licenced to tow such a combination. If you answe yes to any of the following questions then if you get pulled over whilst towing you will get points on your licence, a hefty fine and be prevented from contiuing on your journey.

First does the Max weight of the caravan ( plated on the van ) exceed the unladen mass of your tow car ( sometimes difficult to find but the unladen weight is typically about 125kg less than the kerbweight of your car which is usually found on your V5 document )?

Second Does the max mass of your caravan ( plated on the caravan ) added to the maximum gross weight of your car ( plated on your car ) exceed 3500kg?

If you have answered yes to either either of the above then with a licence dated September 1997 you are unlicenced to drive the combination and are required by law to take an extra test before you do so again.


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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013

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I hadn't even thought to check mine but i'm ok just checked.

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12/5/2009 at 6:49pm
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Janus - see my post of 1/9/08:

"It is nothing to do with "snobby know it all from the caravan club or i should say the over 50,s club" - it is the Law and if you break it the Police will undoubtedly prosecute."



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12/5/2009 at 11:37pm
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I had not looked at the dates of the earlier posts, it appeared in the list of recent posts that I brought in when I logged on after a week and half away with the van. The OP can hold what opinion he wishes of the CC it is his own loss, I just wanted to stress why he was breaking the law, which if he is towing a van of that weight with a skoda Octavia he most certainly is.

 



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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013

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13/5/2009 at 5:58pm
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As I said, it's the responsibility of the driver to ensure he/she is complying with the Law - if they aren't and are either stopped or involved in an accident then they have a problem, and only themselves to blame.

We can lead the horses to water but we can't make them drink .........................



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Quote: Originally posted by bordercaz on 13/5/2009

As I said, it's the responsibility of the driver to ensure he/she is complying with the Law - if they aren't and are either stopped or involved in an accident then they have a problem, and only themselves to blame.

We can lead the horses to water but we can't make them drink .........................


Spot on Caz, no matter what vehicle you are driving you as the driver are responsible to make sur it is legal.

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I totally agree that it is the drivers responsability to ensure thatr they are legal - but -there are so many rules and regulations that the problem is being AWARE that you might be affected - you have no hope of knowing everything or even that there is a rule or regulation which might affect you!!!!!

This is where the LAW is definatly an ass !!!! Anyone that says ignorance of the Law is No Excuse is not being realistic, we would spend more than one lifetime just investigating the law to make sure we were not ignorant.

Perhaps what we need is a section under the annual MOT where you have to declare what you are going to use your vehicle for ie towing...and you then receive advice on what you must check to ensure you are legal.

 

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Quote: Originally posted by bordercaz on 09/5/2009

Yes, providing his licence covers him to tow, and yes you need L plates clearly displayed at front and rear.

This query came up last year, with regard to practising on a motorway, and I sought advice from DSA and DVLA who confirmed that someone practising for the B + E test could legitimately go on a motorway but must display L plates and be accompanied by a full licence holder who already had the entitlement.


That's good to know, i'm a post 97 driver but it looks as though i'll be able to share the driving on long trips providing i have plates.

it's a minefield isn't it.



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Quote:

<DIV class=subContent><H3>Car licences held before 1 January 1997</H3>

All drivers who passed a car test before 1 January 1997 retain their existing entitlement to tow trailers until their licence expires.


does this mean when the ten year licence expires we all will have to take the test regardless when if we passed before 1997.?


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Only the photo expires not the actual licence.

Licence expires when your 70 i think?



22/2/2010 at 8:13am
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ok, thats good.
mine is up for renewal soon so was starting to dread having to do all this nonsense.
we have a friend of the family who went for it and failed first time cos she didn't put on the handbrake before rising the jockey wheel.
the funny thing is she has been towing for years and didn't realise she needed it. she had a repuplic of ireland licence then changed to uk when married a friend of ours.
that was in 1999.
last year it took almost a £1000 to pass as she thought it would be easy then had to retest and take lessons.
all these years she has been towing horse boxes, caravans and speed boats and even builders trailers with no problems. they run a caravan park in co. tyrone and never had heard of this law til last year.


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hi im 22 and i past my test in 2006 i have rung the dvla and they that i can tow upto a maximum combined weight of 3.5 tonnes if the trailer or caravan weighs unders 750kgs you are aloud a combined weight of 4.25 tonnes



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