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PersonROG.
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I thought the OP stated a MTPLM of 1300 with a MIRO of about 900 ?

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Yup ... just enter your weights in the section relevant to a similar caravan, or the nearest you can find by your manufacturer.


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Quote: Originally posted by Kelper on 24/5/2014
Yup ... just enter your weights in the section relevant to a similar caravan, or the nearest you can find by your manufacturer.


That might help with the 85% advice but would it also tell what licence is needed?

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Just over 3,500, isn't it?
Don't need a website to tell you that?


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Quote: Originally posted by Kelper on 25/5/2014
Just over 3,500, isn't it?
Don't need a website to tell you that?


If the site gives the GVW and the MTPLM then yes its easy

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Personthe black fox
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We are all just trying to help ,but your own admitted lack of knowledge about your van and it's proper weights is not in your favour .

First step should be to either to contact Adria and see if they know the correct weights or do a online search to find out .

Generally speaking the rule of thumb says for a twin axle van you need a 4x4 ,and while a Astra May have towed it home you don,t state the distance involved or the terrain ,as once you factor in steep hills it sounds as if your low on pulling and stopping power ..


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Ok finally after searching every inch of the caravan i have found its plate with the weights on it, MIRO is 991kg and the MTPLM is 1198 anything you need to no about my car is here

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/toyota/corolla/verso-2002/22432/


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o.k just run through those figures ,your max permitted tow weight is 1200.k.g .your van if fully loaded is 1198kg so you have literally a bag of sugar to play with weight wise ,if your link is correct you would also be towing a twin axle caravan ? at 100% limit with only a 1800cc petrol engine .
so lets state the obvious

yes you could just legally tow it ,but only just .

you would be at serious risk on a incline (engine underpowered) and at serious risk going downhill (braking restrictions ) what you don't want is the caravan controlling the car i.e tail wagging dog .

you cannot feasibly juggle the weights about i.e put more weight in the car as theres no power in reserve .

so yes if you were going on a very short journey i.e 5 miles it would be feasible to tow as long as there were no hills en-route . any longer and its dodgy .

the risks involved are that you have the children with you in a unsuitable rig ,and you also risk causing considerable damage to your car i.e wear on the engine ,brakes ,clutch and gearbox which can be costly to repair .

the ball is in your court but if it was me i would look for either a smaller caravan or larger car .


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I certainly agree with the black fox on this one. I wouldn't consider towing such a large/heavy caravan with a car of such low power and weight. I wouldn't even attempt it with my Volvo estate which has a 2.5 litre turbo diesel engine, except maybe to move it a short distance. You either need a much bigger and more powerful car, or a smaller caravan.

Also, as I remember it from your original post, you don't have a B+E licence, so unless you intend to take the appropriate test to obtain one, you have little choice but to downsize the caravan to something that your car can comfortably handle.

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Quote: Originally posted by MysScarlet on 26/5/2014
Ok finally after searching every inch of the caravan i have found its plate with the weights on it, MIRO is 991kg and the MTPLM is 1198 anything you need to no about my car is here

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/toyota/corolla/verso-2002/22432/




That parkers link does not show the important figure - the GVW of the vehicle

If the GVW is 2300 or less then its legal for B licence towing





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well thats all i ask. i wanted to no if my car can tow my caravan and the answer is yes it can. Im not gonna be loading the caravan with anything other than 1 wind breaker inside it everything else will be going in the boot of my car which will be better.

And i will also be taking it very easy im not gonna go drive like a manic. I do believe that my car can handle the weight of this caravan As i said before all i wanted to no was it legal and it yes so thank you for all your help


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If the GVW is 2300 or less then its legal for B licence towing? Where did you get this information from as according to the GOV.co.uk website i can tow it as long as my car is heavier than the caravan and that the combined weight does not exceed 3.500kg which my car and caravan dont.


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Quote: Originally posted by MysScarlet on 26/5/2014
If the GVW is 2300 or less then its legal for B licence towing? Where did you get this information from as according to the GOV.co.uk website i can tow it as long as my car is heavier than the caravan and that the combined weight does not exceed 3.500kg which my car and caravan dont.


The LAW states that for B licence towing the GVW of the vehicle added to the trailer MAM or caravan MTPLM must not total more than 3500 kgs

Its very simple but the Gov sites tend to confuse people in the way that its written

The trailer MAM/MTPLM not exceeding kerb weight rule was revoked on 19/01/2013 for ALL B licence drivers

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Quote: Originally posted by MysScarlet on 26/5/2014well thats all i ask. i wanted to no if my car can tow my caravan and the answer is yes it can. Im not gonna be loading the caravan with anything other than 1 wind breaker inside it everything else will be going in the boot of my car which will be better.

And i will also be taking it very easy im not gonna go drive like a manic. I do believe that my car can handle the weight of this caravan As i said before all i wanted to no was it legal and it yes so thank you for all your help

I think you said your car had a towing capacity of 1200 and the caravan at full weight could be 1198 so that's ok

Your car is about 1300 empty so when loaded for a trip will probably be at least 1500 so even with a fully weighted caravan that is well under the 85% advice so that's ok as well

Its only the B licence law that could be in question but I very much doubt your car is much more than 1900 GVW so well under the 2300 limit = ok as well


Lets say it is 1900 GVW then with the 1200 MTPLM that is 3100 so 400 under the 3500 limit

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Thats what i said that they must not total more that 3500kg and my car and caravan does not total to be more than 3500kg so i can tow this caravan on a B license


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A twin axle caravan is 1198kg ?? It is a matchbox?

But you read the plate previously and it was over 1400kg?

Seems to me it doesnt matter what people are going to tell you on here. You will tow it illegally anyway.

Your dad towed it illegally and your going to follow suit.



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