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PersonTriaxle
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Events and exhibitions. No stipulations at all on ours, I’ve just double checked.


Personmartin734
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Quote: Originally posted by Triaxle on 01/11/2021
Events and exhibitions. No stipulations at all on ours, I’ve just double checked.


It is probably an industry based thing then. Agriculture can be a very dangerous industry and insurance companies can be very strict in their requirements.


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Quote: Originally posted by martin734 on 01/11/2021
I wonder how long it will be before insurance companies start requiring some sort of training in order to be insured for towing? I am on a couple of other forums that have threads about this subject and some of the questions, comments and opinions are really quite worrying, there is a great deal of ignorance about towing laws and safe practices and a lot of very poor advice. Also many people do not know the difference between guidance/advice and law. I tow a lot for work and my insurer (NFU) requires that I do a towing course with an industry recognised organisation at least once every 3 years. I would not be surprised if other insurance companies start to do the same thing for anyone wanting to tow anything other than a small trailer of max 750 kg gross weight.


That will upset all the pre 97 folk that are still towing, and most never having any problems.
As for insurance, most insurance do not cover a car towing unless you state the fact that you tow.




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Personnavver
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Whenever insurers ask if the car has been modified I always say a towbar has been fitted.


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Just read on Gov.uk that the rules about what you can tow will not be changing on 15 Nov. The change will happen at a later date.


PersonColin21
11/11/2021 at 9:14pm
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Quote: Originally posted by navver on 11/11/2021
Whenever insurers ask if the car has been modified I always say a towbar has been fitted.


Yes, I always do the same. I have just been through my annual car insurance search and renewed my insurance with a different company. Strange how these things go, as the company I have been with for the past 3 years were the cheapest, but this year they had increased the price by £80. I switched and saved myself £130, so I am now paying less than I did last year with a company that was too expensive back then. I'll never understand how insurance companies work these things out.


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Quote: Originally posted by dartmoor65 on 11/11/2021
Just read on Gov.uk that the rules about what you can tow will not be changing on 15 Nov. The change will happen at a later date.


Yes the official link here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-rules-for-towing-a-trailer-or-caravan-with-a-car-f........



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Personbilly
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This is utter chaos really. Should be on the national news. Not just caravanners but I bet plenty of commercial towers builders etc think they will be ok to tow from Nov 15 & may not be aware of delay.

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^^^ exactly


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PersonColin21
12/11/2021 at 3:20pm
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Has anyone actually ever been stopped and asked to produce their licence to show that they are qualified to tow? I know I never have, even when I was towing large trailers behind my Transit flat-bed that I once had.

The last time I ever had any encounter with the traffic police was when I was driving a smart-car and they pulled me over as their ANPR was showing that my vehicle was untaxed. When I showed them the tax disk clearly displayed on my windscreen (shows how long ago that was) they apologised and said that their equipment must be faulty.

Since then I have done many miles towing a caravan and never once been asked for my licence. In all probability from 15th there will be many people out there towing things that they are not licenced for, and blissfully unaware of that fact.


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In 65 years driving I have never been stopped and sked for my licence!
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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 12/11/2021
Has anyone actually ever been stopped and asked to produce their licence to show that they are qualified to tow? I know I never have, even when I was towing large trailers behind my Transit flat-bed that I once had.

The last time I ever had any encounter with the traffic police was when I was driving a smart-car and they pulled me over as their ANPR was showing that my vehicle was untaxed. When I showed them the tax disk clearly displayed on my windscreen (shows how long ago that was) they apologised and said that their equipment must be faulty.

Since then I have done many miles towing a caravan and never once been asked for my licence. In all probability from 15th there will be many people out there towing things that they are not licenced for, and blissfully unaware of that fact.



Yes, several times and I have also been asked if I'm towing commercially and to hand over my tacho card when I was. They also check the weight of the trailer and Land Rover. The only problem I had was when one particularly stupid plod pulled me over when he saw I was towing a mini dumper truck on a flat bed trailer and tried to tell me that my 4 ton air braked trailer was illegal and that fitting a coupled air brake system to my Landy was also illegal. Thankfully a phone call to VOSA confirmed everything was actually legal and that the arrogant little twerp should at least make an effort to understand the laws he is paid to enforce.


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Most look at this in the context of being stopped by the police. Very unlikely. When did you last see a copper ? If anybody is towing without the correct licence then they are uninsured so no payout for either car or caravan in the event of an accident. Which imo is a better reason for ensuring you are correctly licensed than worrying about our almost absent police force.

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Not even sure insurance are bothered. When any of my lads have had an accident towing insurance never questioned whether they were licenced (they were btw) just rubber stamped it.


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My concern is that there will probably be people out there who have heard about the date of the 15th and towing because they think they are now legal, when in fact they are not. Will the police be out there in force booking them?

Many years ago roadside spot checks used to be a regular thing, but I would imagine that ANPR made them redundant. I can remember being stopped many times back in the 1960s and 1970s, but not since.

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