|
 Topic: Electric towcars
|
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
  |
21/11/2022 at 2:36pm
Location: Inverness
Outfit: Hyundai Santa Fe & Pegasus Rimini
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 25/6/2010 Platinum Member 
Forum Posts: 843
| Site Reviews Total: | 2 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 0 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 2 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 0 |
|
Quote: Originally posted by starcraft on 21/11/2022
Given the option I'd be happy to pay on mileage as I do less than 20 miles a week.
Always thought that was a good idea.
This was a Lib Dem policy some time back (may still be) where road VED would be abolished and the tax put on fuel.
Those who do very little mileage and/or have economic cars would pay a lot less and fuel guzzlers/high milers more.
Seemed fair to me.
As far as EV's are concerned, the elephant in the room is the cost of replacing and recycling of used batteries..........that's when a second hand EV becomes affordable to the masses!
-------------
I came into this world with nothing and I've still got most of it left.
|
21/11/2022 at 3:40pm
Location: East Herts
Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 05/11/2013 Diamond Member 
Forum Posts: 6360
| Site Reviews Total: | 18 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 2 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 7 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 8 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 12 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 18 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 21 |
|
Quote: Originally posted by macquatic on 21/11/2022
Quote: Originally posted by starcraft on 21/11/2022
Given the option I'd be happy to pay on mileage as I do less than 20 miles a week.
Always thought that was a good idea.
This was a Lib Dem policy some time back (may still be) where road VED would be abolished and the tax put on fuel.
Those who do very little mileage and/or have economic cars would pay a lot less and fuel guzzlers/high milers more.
Seemed fair to me.
As far as EV's are concerned, the elephant in the room is the cost of replacing and recycling of used batteries..........that's when a second hand EV becomes affordable to the masses!
I'd be happy to go with the mileage option too, it always seemed the fairest way to me. Surely the tax should be based on use of a car not merely ownership? My car is not the most economical, but then I don't do a high mileage, around 5,000 miles a year.
I totally agree with the issue of batteries. By the time an EV has reached a price I could possibly afford, it's quite likely its batteries would be well knackered and needing replacing, so ruling that one out. New, the mileage available from the batteries would probably be more than adequate for 99% of my journeys, but by the time an EV became affordable to me what mileage could I expect? Probably about 50 miles on a full charge, maybe less.
-------------
Best Regards,
Colin
|
21/11/2022 at 4:07pm
Location: Northamptonshire
Outfit: Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo + Polestar 2
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 28/4/2009 Gold Member 
Forum Posts: 232
| Site Reviews Total: | 0 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 0 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 0 |
|
I just don't know where the idea that batteries are an issue comes from.
Batteries are warrantied for 8 years (or more) and 100,000 miles or more. Car engines are warrantied for 3 years and 60,000 miles, yet no one worries about buyng one that is out of warranty. The batteries in my car are expected to out last the chassis - 250,000 to 350,000 miles. With 20K miles on the clock, and 18 months use including over 2500 miles towing, I have seen no degradation at all. The range and charging speed is as good as the day I got it.
There are many documented cases of Teslas with 100s of thousands of miles with little or no degradation. The Nissan Leaf, used a passive battery cooling and management system. All new cars do not, they are active with active cooling.
Your or laptop or phone is not a car. The battery is completely different. You may as well compare a lawn mower to a modern ICE car.
Post last edited on 21/11/2022 17:11:26
|
21/11/2022 at 6:01pm
Location: East Herts
Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 05/11/2013 Diamond Member
Forum Posts: 6360
| Site Reviews Total: | 18 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 2 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 7 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 8 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 12 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 18 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 21 |
|
I think the only comment I can make is "only time will tell". Warranties are known to often be full of holes, so I reserve judgement on that one.
When I see EVs of a similar type and capability to my X Trail on the market for £4,000 or less I will be very interested to see what their batteries are still capable of, but I strongly suspect that if I am even still around my driving days will be long over.
It may well be true that ICE engines are warrantied for 60,000 miles, but there are many still on the road with more than 3 times that mileage. The year 2000 Volvo V70 I sold a few years back being one example, currently having well over 230,000 miles on the clock. I sold it when it had 180,000 on it and it still ran like a watch. Still did a similar mileage on a tank of fuel to what it did when it was new too.
-------------
Best Regards,
Colin
|
21/11/2022 at 7:25pm
Location: Northamptonshire
Outfit: Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo + Polestar 2
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 28/4/2009 Gold Member
Forum Posts: 232
| Site Reviews Total: | 0 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 0 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 0 |
|
I think "only time will tell" is a good motto. And it's important to remember it shows the bad and the good.
Car manufacturers are cautions beasts. Offering a warranty is big issue, and an 8 year warranty is a long time. Their financial and engineering teams will have to be supremely confident that the huge majority of their sales will never have to pay out, which means that vast majority will last FAR longer than the warranty period. The same applies to ICE engines.
Seeing what you can buy for 4K, I agree, will be very interesting. The cars are expensive and if (due to the small number of moving parts) they last a loooong time, there is a good chance they will retail a LOT of their value. This is bourn out with the Tesla model S used prices. Take a look on auto trader to see how much they go for. It's a lot. And that is not necessarily good news for used buyers...
|
22/11/2022 at 4:34pm
Location: East Herts
Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 05/11/2013 Diamond Member
Forum Posts: 6360
| Site Reviews Total: | 18 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 2 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 7 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 8 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 12 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 18 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 21 |
|
Quote: Originally posted by tdrees on 21/11/2022
I think "only time will tell" is a good motto. And it's important to remember it shows the bad and the good.
Car manufacturers are cautions beasts. Offering a warranty is big issue, and an 8 year warranty is a long time. Their financial and engineering teams will have to be supremely confident that the huge majority of their sales will never have to pay out, which means that vast majority will last FAR longer than the warranty period. The same applies to ICE engines.
Seeing what you can buy for 4K, I agree, will be very interesting. The cars are expensive and if (due to the small number of moving parts) they last a loooong time, there is a good chance they will retail a LOT of their value. This is bourn out with the Tesla model S used prices. Take a look on auto trader to see how much they go for. It's a lot. And that is not necessarily good news for used buyers...
Yes indeed, "only time will tell" will show the good and the bad. I don't think anyone really knows because the technology is so new. All we can really know is that nothing lasts for ever.
I'm quite cautious too, and in my experience with warranties, they are often so full of holes that manufacturers can always find a way of wriggling out of them. I'm certain that the cars' drive-trains will last much longer than ICE cars as electric motors have far fewer moving parts, and gear boxes, if any, will be much simpler too.
It is mainly the batteries that concerns me. Unless they become extremely cheap to replace, which I think is unlikely, they are going to be the determining factor as to whether a used EV is viable. If a used EV with knackered batteries costs £4k, then a new set of batteries costs another £4k, that would make it a non-starter for many people. At present many people rely on older cheap cars to get them about and there are plenty of viable cars around at present for well under £4k, and some even for less than £1k. Just a few £hundred can buy a car that will get someone to and from work without any problems, even if it only last a couple of years. Personally I am retired so I don't need a car for work but a good many do, and if they are on a low wage they rely on "cheapies".
I see an EV's batteries as the equivalent of a fuel tank, and the fuel tank on a 25 year old car holds just as much as a new one, and the car probably does nearly as many miles on a tankful as it did when it rolled off the production line.
-------------
Best Regards,
Colin
|
16/12/2022 at 8:04am
Location: Dumfries
Outfit: 2022 CoachmanVIP 2022 Pilote P696GJ
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 18/2/2007 Diamond Member
Forum Posts: 2371
| Site Reviews Total: | 51 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 0 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 4 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 0 |
|
Quote: Originally posted by tdrees on 21/11/2022
I just don't know where the idea that batteries are an issue comes from.
Batteries are warrantied for 8 years (or more) and 100,000 miles or more. Car engines are warrantied for 3 years and 60,000 miles, yet no one worries about buyng one that is out of warranty. The batteries in my car are expected to out last the chassis - 250,000 to 350,000 miles. With 20K miles on the clock, and 18 months use including over 2500 miles towing, I have seen no degradation at all. The range and charging speed is as good as the day I got it.
There are many documented cases of Teslas with 100s of thousands of miles with little or no degradation. The Nissan Leaf, used a passive battery cooling and management system. All new cars do not, they are active with active cooling.
Your or laptop or phone is not a car. The battery is completely different. You may as well compare a lawn mower to a modern ICE car.
Post last edited on 21/11/2022 17:11:26
7 years and 100,000 miles on Kia diesel and petrol and its a good warranty
|
16/12/2022 at 8:22am
Location: Dumfries
Outfit: 2022 CoachmanVIP 2022 Pilote P696GJ
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 18/2/2007 Diamond Member
Forum Posts: 2371
| Site Reviews Total: | 51 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 0 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 4 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 0 |
|
Speaking to a Kia EV6 driver at Halfords the other day and he was telling me this prolonged very cold weather -10 substantially reduces his range more so than he expected or was told .
Its true that Petrol and diesel vehicles will also see a reduction in the mpg but not to the same extent .
I've just collected a new Audi Q5 TFSI MHEV with an extended warranty which I will keep until 2028 I'm a low mileage driver typically covering only 6,000 per annum and sometimes less .
The Audi salesman was telling me new ICE car sales are still fairly buoyant although EV sales are also consistent.
Either way come 2028 I'll probably still buy another petrol hybrid car and probably Audi again which will see me out until I stop driving .
Don't ever see myself buying a battery car
Post last edited on 16/12/2022 08:48:41
|
16/12/2022 at 9:59am
Location: None Entered
Outfit: None Entered
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 29/10/2005 Diamond Member
Forum Posts: 4490
| Site Reviews Total: | 0 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 0 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 0 |
|
ICE engines MPG can reduce by 15% to 24% in cold weather.
saxo1
|
16/12/2022 at 11:28am
Location: East Herts
Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 05/11/2013 Diamond Member
Forum Posts: 6360
| Site Reviews Total: | 18 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 2 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 7 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 8 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 12 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 18 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 21 |
|
Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 16/12/2022
ICE engines MPG can reduce by 15% to 24% in cold weather.
saxo1
I'm glad you said "can" Saxo. Personally I doubt whether my own car's MPG has fallen by more than a couple of percent as I haven't noticed any difference at all.
I suspect that with an EV the main drain on the batteries in extreme cold will be the heater. Electricity is very efficient at providing motion but very inefficient at providing heat. With an ICE vehicle on the other hand, the heater uses waste heat from the engine, so heater on or heater off I wouldn't expect it to make that much difference. Both types of vehicle use the same types of other accessories, such as wipers, lights, radio etc, so electricity consumption for those will be similar, but with an EV the electricity will come from the main propulsion batteries, whereas with an ICE vehicle it will come from the alternator, which is turning anyway. Yes it will increase drag on the engine, causing it to consume more fuel to maintain speed, but I doubt whether it would be very significant. I would therefore expect the mileage difference to be far more significant in winter with an EV than with an ICE vehicle. It certainly wouldn't put me off owning one if I could afford it, but there's no chance of that. It might be sufficient to put off someone who does a lot more miles than me or regular longer journeys though.
-------------
Best Regards,
Colin
|
16/12/2022 at 12:04pm
Location: None Entered
Outfit: None Entered
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 29/10/2005 Diamond Member
Forum Posts: 4490
| Site Reviews Total: | 0 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 0 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 0 |
|
That is where I saw it:
https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/fuel-economy-cold-weather#:~:text=Cold%20weather%20and%20winter%20driving,to%204%2Dmile)%20trips.
I know my Honda CRV dropped from an average of 43 to 36 mpg during colder months.
saxo1
|
16/12/2022 at 2:35pm
Location: Northamptonshire
Outfit: Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo + Polestar 2
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 28/4/2009 Gold Member
Forum Posts: 232
| Site Reviews Total: | 0 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 0 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 0 |
|
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 16/12/2022
I'm glad you said "can" Saxo. Personally I doubt whether my own car's MPG has fallen by more than a couple of percent as I haven't noticed any difference at all.
I did a return trip from South Northants to Kingston on Thames on Tuesday. Its a 90 mile one way drive, and I got there with 55% remaining. That gave me a possible range of 200 miles. Given my normal range is between 190 and 210, I would say it had little real impact.
The change in efficiency of an ICE car in the cold weather is generally imperceptible for two reasons. 1) In the cold, an ICE engine actually gets a bit more efficient. The denser cold air can expand more after combustion generating more power per stroke. This offsets the loss from dense air being harder to drive through. 2) In an ICE car, you almost never repeatedly make a single journey, and then refill your tank to the same level, so you have little way of comparing actual journey use or efficiency. I.e. you just don't see it...
Quote:
I suspect that with an EV the main drain on the batteries in extreme cold will be the heater. Electricity is very efficient at providing motion but very inefficient at providing heat.
The main drain is absolutely not the heater. Electrical motors are very efficient - close to 90%. Electrical heaters are 100% percent efficient for direct heating. Cars equipped with heat pumps are 200% to 300% efficient.
My car has a roughly 1kW direct heating element. To keep the cabin at 20-22 its kicks in and out on a thermostat. 1kW is equivalent to 1.34ps (horse power). To drive at 60mph uses considerably more than a constant 1kW to overcome drag. My car will keep me warm while stationary for over 3 days before draining the battery, but will drain it in about 4 to 5 hours driving at 50mph. But it also takes any waste heat from the battery and motor, and uses that to heat the cabin too. With that small innovation, the (relatively small amount of) heat coming from the drive train gives a meaningful boost to the cabin heater minimising energy loss.
Quote:
With an ICE vehicle on the other hand, the heater uses waste heat from the engine, so heater on or heater off I wouldn't expect it to make that much difference.
100% true. ICE engines produce so much waste heat (about 50% of the energy in the fuel is wasted as heat), getting rid of it is a full time job for the cooling system. Diverting some for the cabin is easy.
Quote:
Both types of vehicle use the same types of other accessories, such as wipers, lights, radio etc, so electricity consumption for those will be similar, but with an EV the electricity will come from the main propulsion batteries, whereas with an ICE vehicle it will come from the alternator, which is turning anyway. Yes it will increase drag on the engine, causing it to consume more fuel to maintain speed, but I doubt whether it would be very significant.
The drag from the alternator is more significant than you might think. The one from my old Volvo XC90 (2.5l D5 engine 185ps) was 140amp. At 14.4V (charging voltage for 12V system) thats 2kW, or 2.6ps output, and perhaps 2.5kW / 3.2ps input (allowing for inefficiency). Granted - the car wont be using 2kW of electrical load all the time, just when recharging the battery from the starter drain. As you say, the load for accesories is similar - just more efficiently run in the EV (direct from the battery rather than fuel -> motion -> electricity in an ICE.
Quote:
I would therefore expect the mileage difference to be far more significant in winter with an EV than with an ICE vehicle. It certainly wouldn't put me off owning one if I could afford it, but there's no chance of that. It might be sufficient to put off someone who does a lot more miles than me or regular longer journeys though.
Winter inefficiency is mostly not to do with the battery, or even heating. It's to do with road conditions and air density. Wet roads, cold tyres, and cold air all increase drag. Keeping your speed down can significantly mitigate for that.
Edit - just to add, the difference between ICE and EV in winter is really only more significant because the available range is lower to start with. 10% loss of 200 miles is 20 - very noticeable on a 200mile drive. 10% of 400 miles is 40 miles, not noticeable at all on a 200 mile drive. But if you generally only do short drives (within the battery range) its also not noticeable at all :-)
Post last edited on 16/12/2022 14:48:43
Post last edited on 16/12/2022 15:03:42
|
16/12/2022 at 2:51pm
Location: East Herts
Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 05/11/2013 Diamond Member
Forum Posts: 6360
| Site Reviews Total: | 18 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 2 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 7 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 8 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 12 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 18 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 21 |
|
Makes interesting reading that article Saxo. It does seem to confirm what I said about different vehicles behaving differently. My Nissan X Trail seems to do about 35mpg average no matter what. Towing a caravan or cold weather doesn't seem to make much difference, and I'm not finding I'm using any more fuel than usual despite the sub-zero temperatures we have had for a while now. I haven't done any accurate calculations though.
Some of those tips they give for improving fuel consumption I already do, such as combining trips, and minimising idling. I always clear the ice off the windows, get in, and drive off straight away. I check my tyre pressures regularly, and I never leave a roof rack on when it isn't needed, but then I don't use one at all these days. I don't have a garage I can park in but the front of my house faces south and I always reverse into my parking bay so the windscreen gets the full benefit of any sun we may get. The engine might get a slight benefit from that too, unlike the houses over the road from us. Their cars are often covered in frost while mine is clear.
-------------
Best Regards,
Colin
|
16/12/2022 at 3:12pm
Location: East Herts
Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Profile
Reply
Quote
|
Joined: 05/11/2013 Diamond Member
Forum Posts: 6360
| Site Reviews Total: | 18 |
|
| Site Reviews 2025: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2024: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2023: | 1 |
| Site Reviews 2022: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2021: | 2 |
| Site Reviews 2020: | 0 |
| Site Reviews 2019: | 2 |
|
| Site Nights 2025: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2024: | 7 |
| Site Nights 2023: | 8 |
| Site Nights 2022: | 12 |
| Site Nights 2021: | 18 |
| Site Nights 2020: | 0 |
| Site Nights 2019: | 21 |
|
That made interesting reading too, tdrees. I must admit my comments on heating were rather general based on heating a home rather than a vehicle as I didn't really have much idea of how the heating system worked in an EV. I have learnt something there.
Electric heating in any homes I've lived in has always been way more expensive than any other form.
I can only estimate my own car's (14 year old diesel Nissan X Trail) fuel efficiency as to how much I am using, unless I do a proper tank-full to tank-full calculation, and I don't seem to be using any more than I did in mid-summer, despite the bitterly cold weather we are having at the moment. I do note my mileage every time I fill up though. It's still averaging out at about 35mpg as it was in July. Being retired I only do about 5,000 miles a year now too. When I was working it was more than double that.
-------------
Best Regards,
Colin
|
|
via mobile 16/12/2022 at 11:06am
