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Subject Topic: Bailey Ranger 620/6 what do you tow with
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PersonCarl ward
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Hi thanks peeps going for the 526 model single axel


Personsteve57
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PersonCarl ward
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Got my car for another 2 years so gonna look at the berth single axel that's in my weights and got my b+e test Tuesday hopefully that will go well 😁


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Hello fellow campers.
Been towing a 30yr old 2 birth Elddis minstrel which was kindly donated by a close friend for a year now (roughly 10 outings).
The wife and I have decided that caravaning is for us (and our 2 dogs) and want to upgrade.
Looking for a lightweight 4 birth fixed bed I.e ranger 460/4 or Sprite Alpine 4. Varying MTPLM from 1190-1260kg approx.
I have 2011 1.6tdi Golf 103bhp 1314kg kerb weight. 85 % = 1118kg.
Is this doable?
Thanks in advance. Much appreciated
Richard.


PersonRob and Tina
10/1/2020 at 11:03pm
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What's the max tow limit of the Golf?

If you look at one of my posts from two years ago you will see my comments about towing 1150kg with a 110 bhp car and how it struggled on the hills. Even if this proposed outfit is possible within the car's limits you would be at 95% with the heaviest caravan and I think you would want more power. I think you need a heavier, more powerful car or a lighter caravan.


Rob


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PersonRichard Morris
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Hi Rob.
Sorry, pulling capacity on the Golf is 1400kg.
Have read that the Golf along with the Skoda Octavia are the two best hatchbacks for towing.


PersonRob and Tina
11/1/2020 at 10:25am
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The 1400kg limit is the max trailer weight for performing a hill start, it is not suggesting that it is safe to tow a big white box of that weight at motorway speeds.

Your proposed outfit would be at the maximum limit of what you could tow and it would be legal but it is not a combination that I would be happy to drive more than a few miles at a sedate speed. Ideally you want a heavier, more powerful car to tow that sort of weight.

The Golf and Octavia do make good tow cars but there is a huge range of different engines and weights available in those two car ranges over the years. A 140 bhp diesel Golf would be a bit heavier than your current car and give you a lot more power in reserve to cope with hills and overtaking.

As you already have the Golf I would try it with a new caravan and see how it goes, it may be fine or you may struggle and find towing is hard work for you and the car. You could then look into changing the car in the future for something that is a better match.


Rob


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Thanks very much Rob. Appreciate your advice.

Rich.


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11/1/2020 at 10:53am
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You're welcome Rich. If you have have any other questions it would be a good idea to start a fresh thread otherwise your questions will get swallowed up in this old thread.

Good luck with your caravan search, have you tried the advert section on here?

Rob


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You'll have to excuse me Rob, still finding my feet! I feel better now I've found this forum.
If I need any advice I know where to come.
Thanks again.

Rich.


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Rich if you like your golf and the weights are right why not have it remapped I would thought that 1.6 engine comes in a few variations, far cheaper than changing the car and probably improve fuel performance

Bessie


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Hi Bessie, thanks, worth looking into, may get me the extra Ooompf I'm looking for. Just saw the van of my dreams. Swift charisma 535. MTPLM 1310 Kg. But MIRO 1100kg. 🤔🤔


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Hi Richard

When we collected our first caravan from Surrey and towed it home to Staffordshire, we used a 2012 VW Passat with the same 1.6 TDI engine as fitted to your Golf. The caravan weighs 1050kg unladen and was empty apart from a few extras thrown in by the seller - call it 1100kg.

The car managed but performance was, let's say sedate. 6th gear was not an option for anything other than downhill runs, and uphills required frequent changes to 4th or even 3rd. You're talking about adding 200kg on top of that when your caravan is fully loaded and you will feel the difference. I suspect that, as Rob says, for anything more than short journeys you'll want more power.

We changed the car - it was leased through work and due for replacement anyway - for the 2.0 TDI (150bhp) version of the same car and it was far better. I won't say we didn't know the caravan was on the back because that would be a big lie, but at no point were we ever worried about it even when towing to the bottom of the Swiss Alps!

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HI Sam and Rose.
I'm so glad I'm on this forum. Kind people like yourself offering their valuable advice for which I'm truly grateful.
I suspect strongly I'll have to go for a heavier
Car with greater torque but I've also recieved conflicting viewpoints from 'salespersons' and 'maverick' friends.
I'd like to know where the MTPLM to MIRO relation came from and why it's legally carved in stone? Surely the Laden Mass of a caravan inhabiting 4-5 people camping for a week or two MAY add 200kg + to the Unladen mass but two adults, with no kids camping for 3-4 nights? I'm guessing 50kg-70kg and I'm being generous.
Please don't think I'm being ignorant because I am keen to learn but this has me stumped ATM.
My understanding is that 85% (Novice Tower of my golf's kerb weight is 1118kg.
The van I like has the unladen weight of 1110kg I think.
If I were to add 50-70kg, I take it to 90% (intermediate tower).
Would this still be unadvisable, even on a short term basis?
Thanks again
Richard


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Richard you'll be suprised were the weight comes from

     van      car
25 meter cable  /  weighed                   4.5     
            Ramp and blocks     2     
110 amp battery  weighed                   27     
BP Gaslight      10     
spare wheel etc  weighed                  19     
aqua role  weighed                  4     
wastemaster / fluid   weighed              6     
Awning and poles           30
oval table   weighed                 5     
chairs      x 4          3.5     14
cadac                    15
Tv       3.19     
quilt and 4 pillows / sleeping bag          weighed                  9     
pegs, mallet, drill etc say      est               5     
towels, bathrobe toiletries     weighed               5     
cutlery, plates kettle knifes and forks                        6     
shoes           
air bed inner tent          3.5
groundsheet               weighed                  8     
toiletries     2.5     
windbreak               weighed               3.5     
games / lights      5     
Clothes            
Surf boards           10
Food     10     
Booze           
jack          10
Total     138     67


Sorry for the format as i cant get the spreadsheet to transfer but you get the gist

Bessie     


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Hi rob,Bessie and others that have gave me advice ijust want to say thankyou and I passed my b+e test today 😁



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