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11/12/2017 at 9:12am
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Well there is an issue with that Opensauce, Tesla did reach out to the other manufacturers to come up with a common standard, Tesla style of course.
But that never happend, in fact BMW and VAG are putting in there own infrastructure.
To be fair there should have been a world wide common EV standard connector from the get go.
It would appear as I understand it that Tesla cars can use any none Tesla fast charger, it's just a case of having the right adapter be it Chademo or CCS etc.
I could be wrong on this, but as far as I am aware only Tesla cars can use the Tesla SuperChargers and Tesla Destination Chargers, I guess Tesla have done an Apple with that situation.
To me a charger is a charger, and should be just like a petrol pump so that one cap fits all.
Even if you could plug in your Nissan Leaf into a a Tesla SuperCharger you would still need a physical connector adaptor.
In fact there is even one EV that has two types of charging socket on the car, so either CCS or Chademo can be used.
It's all quite barmy realy, it will be a bit like turning upto a Petrol station, to find the Petrol pump nozzle will not fit your car.
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Colin, were people live makes no difference, same as for folk with a fossil car.
It is just an extra convience if you can charge at home, otherwise it's a case of charging up at a public fast charger or destination charger.
Just the same as having to get to a Petrol Station with a fossil car, I don't see not being able to charge at home being an issue.
It's almost like saying, not being able to fuel up your fossil car at home is a problem, which it is not of course.
In fact at least one council in the UK, is providing Destination Charging points on street lamp posts, which is quite a good idea.
As for electric supply issues, that is in hand, as it is not just a case of generating more electricity, it's the problem of not being able to store it.
And they seem to be onto that one, they have already built a huge battery electric storage facility in Australia for the main grid, this will be the way forward.
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You make some good points there Francais. I can see not being able to charge up at home being a big problem though, due to the time it takes. With a fossil fuel car you can top up in minutes on your way home or on your way out. You can't do that with an EV. In some city centres you would need hundreds of charging points down every street, judging by the number of cars you see parked, and I do wonder about vandalism. If you left your EV plugged into a lamp post in the next street (as some have to park) overnight, would it still be plugged in when you returned to it, or will some idiot have nicked the lead? In some areas I know of you would come back to find the lead either lying on the ground or missing altogether.
Yes it is largely storage of electricity that is a problem, as AC cannot be stored in a battery the way DC can. These storage facilities must rectify it I suppose, then convert back to AC.
I know it will happen, but it's the timescale I question. Designing either a storage or generating facility, getting planning permission, then building it takes years in this country, especially considering that somebody will get up a protest against it wherever it is proposed to be built.
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Yep, Tesla did an amazing job with that electricity grid storage system in Austrailia, in fact Tesla offered that if the installation could not be completed in a 100 days, they would do it for free!
Of course getting things done in the UK on such a scale, is a completely different ball of wax.
Although Tesla are doing quite well with SuperCharger installations.
The one at Birchwood Services on the M6 would be perfect for me, as I am between Manchester and Liverpool a couple of times each week if not more.
Birchwood is a place I often stop, to complete the days admin in the car and grab a coffee, from my flask I may add.
So that's easily more than a 45 min stop, giving me plenty of time to charge back up to full range, ready for the next day.
I can't wait to go electric and get away from that stinking diesel! filled up 3 times last week, at £52.01 a pop, the icle VW Golf, was all over the show last week.
OK that would mean, having to visit a SuperCharger 5 times to cover the same distance, however home charging is an option I could have, having a double garage.
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I could easily charge an EV too, as I have my own parking bay at home, but as I am retired I have no other options than public charging points. Not that I'll ever be able to afford an EV anyway.
I can't help but wonder how much towing would reduce the range, and this weather leads me to think that running a heater would do likewise. Electric heating is terribly power-hungry. I could easily manage with an EV normally, as most of my journeys are 25 miles or less, but they tend to be very much longer when I have my caravan on the back.
I no longer notice the smell of diesel, as I have spent most of my working life around it, having been a bus driver, coach driver, and latterly a train driver. I still drive diesel trains and buses as a volunteer on a Heritage Railway. No electrification there. 
I still can't see EVs being much more than "rich boy's toys" and company cars for many years to come though, as there are far too many obstacles to overcome, many of which are out of the car-makers' hands.
Will the range reduce as the batteries age, and how long will they last before they need replacing? How much will a new set of batteries cost? More than I usually spend on buying a car I would imagine. How much would an elderly EV with knackered batteries be worth? Next to nothing I feel.
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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 11/12/2017
If you wan't to know about real world experiences when towing with an EV, check out Bjorn Nyland on YouTube.
Of course Bjorn drives a Tesla Model X, which he won! and really tests the EV to it's limits with his day job.
In fact he often sleeps in hisTesla, not somthing that you would want to be doing in a fossil car, as his most recent post, shows night time temps of -17 Deg C, over in Norway today.
I am gonna get me one of those, especially if you can sleep in it. Sleeping in a diesel vehicle never really caught on!😳😳
Start saving folks, the Tesla Model X, 100kWH, 336 miles = £121,800. Bargain! I cant wait. 😀👍
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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 11/12/2017
If you wan't to know about real world experiences when towing with an EV, check out Bjorn Nyland on YouTube.
Of course Bjorn drives a Tesla Model X, which he won! and really tests the EV to it's limits with his day job.
In fact he often sleeps in hisTesla, not somthing that you would want to be doing in a fossil car, as his most recent post, shows night time temps of -17 Deg C, over in Norway today.
Real world experiences!! 😳😳 Francais, it broke down.........TWICE!
It had to be recovered by a far more reliable Diesel tow vehicle.....Diesel Rules again
So watch “Model X 2nd breakdown” by Bjorn Nyland on YouTube. Not all is rosey, one contributor got rid of his after 4, yes 4, such breakdowns. Not bad for £122K.
Typical American build quality, no wonder he has to sleep in it! 😳😳
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I have decided not to get a Tesla Model X now.
I am going to get a Ford Ranger Wildcat, 3.2lt Auto, top of the range with all the goodies.......It can also tow 3.0 tonne AND carry a tonne in the back for 400+ miles without being plugged in........Cos it’s diesel. 😀
It will do everything I want, AND I can buy about 14,500 gallons of diesel with what I save. About 580,000 miles (less with towing, obviously), get in, what a result. 😀😀😀👍
As a bonus, you can actually camp in it, or on it, too.......It does everything. I can even strap in 30 gallons of diesel in Jerry cans to give me a whopping 1800miles range. That leaves the Tesla Model X behind by about 1434 miles, that Lands End to John O’Groats and halfway back!
WHATS NOT TO LIKE! 😀😀👍👍
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