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SamandRose

05/7/2023 at 11:13pm
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Thanks for the info. The salary sacrifice costs are supposedly calculated to show what I would pay but I haven't yet tried to do my own calculations. I'd genuinely hoped that I'd be able to get a small EV through the scheme and use it as a going to work car for less money than it costs to keep piling the miles onto my own, but it seems as though that won't be the case. The costs for the Fiat 500e and Pug e-2008 were actually higher than for the VW ID-4 (I know. It doesn't make sense to me either).

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It is my belief that at the moment EVs are a fad and you need one to keep up with the Joneses. Once the technology for hydrogen powered vehicles is perfected that will be the way forward as a hydrogen powered vehicle is definitely more environmentally friendly than any EV and existing vehicles can be converted to run on hydrogen.

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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 06/7/2023
It is my belief that at the moment EVs are a fad and you need one to keep up with the Joneses. Once the technology for hydrogen powered vehicles is perfected that will be the way forward as a hydrogen powered vehicle is definitely more environmentally friendly than any EV and existing vehicles can be converted to run on hydrogen.

I'm inclined to agree with you there. I've never been in the least interested in keeping up with anyone anyway, I just buy what best suits my needs regardless of what anyone else has got.

Hydrogen has many advantages over electric, one of them being the length of time it takes to refuel, which will be very little different to a petrol or diesel car. I tend to think that when/if EVs ever take over the mass market, the low running costs will quickly disappear too. The government gets an awful lot of revenue from both road tax and fuel tax, and they will definitely be looking at ways to replace that. Any concessions EVs currently enjoy are only temporary.

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Hydrogen has many disadvantages, at the moment, until they can produce Hydrogen from renewables, it is by far more cost effective to use hydrogen to generate electricity, unlike the Electricity grid there is no infrastructure to support refuelling cars. If it is burnt in an ICE it still produces pollution.
It is possible that will change in the future but I fear that is a long way off.
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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 06/7/2023
I tend to think that when/if EVs ever take over the mass market, the low running costs will quickly disappear too. The government gets an awful lot of revenue from both road tax and fuel tax, and they will definitely be looking at ways to replace that. Any concessions EVs currently enjoy are only temporary.

I absolutely agree with you there Ian. Dare I say that the way the government look to replace their revenue will depend on which party is in charge. If it's Tory, they'll simply add the tax to domestic electricity and thus penalise us all whether we have a car or not. If it's Labour they'll spend billions of pounds we haven't got implementing a road charging scheme.

In the meantime I can see a partial U-turn being made before 2030 to allow the continued sale of ICE cars provided that they run on synthetic fuel.

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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 06/7/2023
It is my belief that at the moment EVs are a fad and you need one to keep up with the Joneses. Once the technology for hydrogen powered vehicles is perfected that will be the way forward as a hydrogen powered vehicle is definitely more environmentally friendly than any EV and existing vehicles can be converted to run on hydrogen.

EVs are no more a fad than the Internet, smartphones or colour TVs. While it is true in their early days they are expensive to buy, they have real tangible benefits that their users experience and take advantage of.
Hydrogen powered vehicles have been around for years from manufacturers such as Mazda, Hyundai and Toyota. They are available to buy today (and no one buys them). They are also extremely expensive, are no more environmentally friendly than an EV (In fact are far less friendly )and cost a vast amount more to run.
They are a red herring promoted by the oil giants as a last ditch attempt to save their dying industry.

Yes you can convert a current car to run on hydrogen if you replace much of the engine, add a second parallel fuel system and tanks that take up the whole of the boot� and the result is barely cleaner than what you replace with fuel 10x as expensive and just as polluting in the round.

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