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Hi RogerGoff,

Mine is a 05 Reg Grand Scenic 1.5dci Dimoneque 7 Seater 5 speed.

the closest i can see on parkers is a 6 speed which is stange?

but still getting nowhere with renault i know the car is capable but its the legal side which

is why i want something manufacture wise if that makes sense.

Thanks Rob, Tina  and RogerGoff, Roger i like what your saying and might be a good way of arguing the toss if i carnt find out the info i'm looking for. My main argument is the same thing Andy mentions on page 1

(I have a Grand Scenic 1.9 diesel, and although the quoted maximum tow weight is 1300 Kg, the issue is the Gross Train Weight (i.e. total weight of car + caravan + contents of both including passengers).

Your weights may be slightly different, but for my 1.9 Grand Scenic,the car weighs 1530Kg and the GTW is 3050Kg. So with your van, your total weight of car + van is 2830. This gives you only 220Kg for all your passengers (inc driver) and any additional car contents (bikes, spare tyres?), which is not much.

We bought a Bailey Ranger 470/4 which is 967Kg unladen, so we would keep well within this Gross Train Weight figure. I calculated on a spreadsheet that we'd need a van of unladen weight under 1000Kg in order to be able to accommodate luggage, contents etc within the weight limits. Note that is illegal to exceed teh Gross Train Weight, and your insurance would be invalid in an accident, and possibly the car warranty also invalidated as a result.

To confuse it further, the Renault manual says that the 1300 figure is for the car with driver only, and that in "all other situations" (i.e. with passengers) the maximum tow is 850Kg. I have a letter from Renault which confirms that this is not the case as long as you don;t exceed the Gross Train Weight.

Performance wise, we had our first trip out this weekend - and I was very impressed with the rowing capabilities - good power, 25mpg, and rock steady. However, I would wonder whether the 1,5 engine is a little underpowered, especially if you're going for a heavier van.

Sorry it will not let me highlight the bit i want, paragraph 5 on my last post.

How can it change so much even if you put 1 passenger in the car?? and as someone else on page 1 says they managed to get a letter correcting the weights to cover them but what RogerGoff stated is a good arguement. just would of liked something documented the handbook only states 1300kg with driver only 850kg with even 1 person in the car hope that clears what my concern is? thanks again.