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18/8/2007 at 1:14am
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Boy, am I confused by all this!!!
I want to get into caravanning - to give it a go - as I think it will suit the family requirements for a "nothing planned" and "last minute arrangements".
My car has a kerbweight of just 1346kg, giving a 85% weight of 1144kg.
Have been looking at a Bailey Discovery 5 berth and the stated MRO is 967kg and a MTPLM of 1222kg. Using the MTPLM, the percentage would be 90%.
How often do you regulars fill your vans so the reach their MTPLM?
If I fill the car with the gear, will this increase the kerbside weight and so allow me to tow a heavier van ?
Can anyone recommend any other manufacturers for lightweight 4/5 berth vans?
Many thanks indeed for all the help you can provide me with!
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18/8/2007 at 9:03am
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Hi Plant, and welcome to ukcampsite.co.uk, the best web resource on the planet for caravanners!
As Ali says this is only a guideline, but inexperienced caravanners exceeding this may find towing uncomfortable. He is spot on with his advice.
There are many threads on this forum on the subject which can be accessed easily. Using the button above yields the following
http://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/chatter/search.asp?search=85%25+rule&searchMode=phrase&searchIn=Topic&forum=20&searchSort=dateDESC&Submit=Start+Search
Have a good read, and I am sure that it will all be much less confusing.
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18/8/2007 at 4:07pm
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Quote: Originally posted by caradad on 18/8/2007
Hi Plant, and welcome to ukcampsite.co.uk, the best web resource on the planet for caravanners!
As Ali says this is only a guideline, but inexperienced caravanners exceeding this may find towing uncomfortable. He is spot on with his advice.
There are many threads on this forum on the subject which can be accessed easily. Using the button above yields the following
http://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/chatter/search.asp?search=85%25+rule&searchMode=phrase&searchIn=Topic&forum=20&searchSort=dateDESC&Submit=Start+Search
Have a good read, and I am sure that it will all be much less confusing.
I'm a girlie!
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18/8/2007 at 4:31pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Plant on 18/8/2007
My car has a kerbweight of just 1346kg, giving a 85% weight of 1144kg.
Have been looking at a Bailey Discovery 5 berth and the stated MRO is 967kg and a MTPLM of 1222kg. Using the MTPLM, the percentage would be 90%.
How often do you regulars fill your vans so the reach their MTPLM?
If I fill the car with the gear, will this increase the kerbside weight and so allow me to tow a heavier van ?
Can anyone recommend any other manufacturers for lightweight 4/5 berth vans?
The 85% recommendation is just that a recommendation not a hard and fast rule, it would be very surprising if your car would not be happy with a 90% match, whatever date your licence was it would be perfectly legal up to 100%. Simply filling the car with gear will not increase the kerbweight, the kerbweight is just what it says the weight of the car as it came from the manufacturer.
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20/8/2007 at 9:26pm
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Now to make things further complicated, I have found 3 different kerb weights for the car. The manufacturer website, the handbook and the downloadable brochure. The difference ranges from 1343kg to 1408kg.
In addition to this, the handbook states the EC Kerb weight is the kerbweight (1408kg in the handbook) plus the car model add-on (12.6kg) and the heavy accessories (total 56kg). This provides a 4th kerbweight figure of 1476.6kg.
The difference between the lowest and the highest is me and my sons weights combined - quite considerable I feel.
Obvioulsy, for the van I have been looking at, the higher kerbweight is the the one I would like to use, as the result is 82.76% - even using the lowest figure, the result is marginally greater than 90%. The What tow car site gives a 5 star, 90% match so I'm not overly worried.
Does anyone know what kerbweight figure I should rely on? Handbook (EC kerbweight) or the brochure/manufacturer website?
(yes, I know I really should get over myself!)
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20/8/2007 at 11:06pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Plant on 20/8/2007
Now to make things further complicated, I have found 3 different kerb weights for the car. The manufacturer website, the handbook and the downloadable brochure. The difference ranges from 1343kg to 1408kg.
In addition to this, the handbook states the EC Kerb weight is the kerbweight (1408kg in the handbook) plus the car model add-on (12.6kg) and the heavy accessories (total 56kg). This provides a 4th kerbweight figure of 1476.6kg.
The difference between the lowest and the highest is me and my sons weights combined - quite considerable I feel.
Obvioulsy, for the van I have been looking at, the higher kerbweight is the the one I would like to use, as the result is 82.76% - even using the lowest figure, the result is marginally greater than 90%. The What tow car site gives a 5 star, 90% match so I'm not overly worried.
Does anyone know what kerbweight figure I should rely on? Handbook (EC kerbweight) or the brochure/manufacturer website?
(yes, I know I really should get over myself!)
Like I said in an earlier post on this subject. Everything is designed to confuse. What you are stating is diabolical. How can you be expected to keep on the right side of the law with info like that. My suggestion to you would be, empty the car to it's original state and take it to a weigh bridge. That way you'll have a definte figure to play with and a weighing slip to prove it.
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21/8/2007 at 6:39pm
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You have hit the nail on the head with that one......if the police stopped you and wanted to check if your outfit is legal, they would follow you to the nearest weighbridge and what the weighbridge says at the time is the only thing that will be considered.
All the weights given from various sources would be void and no ammount of arguing would help!
The 100% kerbweight is a change in the law in 1997."if you passed your test after the 1st jan 1997 then you are restricted to towing a caravan whose maximum technical permitted laden mass ( MTPLM ) must not exceed the manufacturers kerbside weight as defined by UK law" I don't really fancy towing down a hill with a van more that the weight of the car pushing me along, so I will stick to the 85% rule even when I am "experienced" as experienced does not mean invincible!
Get the most reliable set of figures you can find, take the lowest of them all and dont exceed the 85% guideline or your max train weight, check your noseweight, and there is a good chance that you will be legal...or go to the local weighbridge, and get the right figure, and you will know for sure.
You pay your money or take your chance!
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22/8/2007 at 12:58am
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Quote: Originally posted by Plant on 20/8/2007
Now to make things further complicated, I have found 3 different kerb weights for the car. The manufacturer website, the handbook and the downloadable brochure. The difference ranges from 1343kg to 1408kg.
In addition to this, the handbook states the EC Kerb weight is the kerbweight (1408kg in the handbook) plus the car model add-on (12.6kg) and the heavy accessories (total 56kg). This provides a 4th kerbweight figure of 1476.6kg.
The difference between the lowest and the highest is me and my sons weights combined - quite considerable I feel.
Obvioulsy, for the van I have been looking at, the higher kerbweight is the the one I would like to use, as the result is 82.76% - even using the lowest figure, the result is marginally greater than 90%. The What tow car site gives a 5 star, 90% match so I'm not overly worried.
Does anyone know what kerbweight figure I should rely on? Handbook (EC kerbweight) or the brochure/manufacturer website?
(yes, I know I really should get over myself!)
Have a look at your V5 document, it should be mentioned on there. If it is this is the one to work with.
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