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 The Kia Carens advanced payment as been reduced by £2000, you can now get a Kia carens 2llt petrol S NIL A/P, the diesel 2ltr GS 5seater  £495, and the 7seater GS is now £745, the diesel is 138BHP 6speed manual gearbox 1500kg tug 75kg nose weight. (Automatic is only 1100kg tug).

Hopefully the new Citroen's will come down in price as well. Got a couple of years in hand yet!

oh that brings it back onto the list for me, will go look at it soon.

thanks for the info and thanks for the email papa.

Hi,

We are in the same boat torn between Grand picasso or Kia the latter may be too big.

Hi Papa Pip,

Do you not find that there is a blind spot with the front windscreen pilla.rs. Hubby did and thats one of the reasons we changed.  Must Admit I did love my Picasso.  But getting used to the Carnes now.

I never had any problems with the pillars either. So it must have been the position hubby sat in.  I told him if he moved his head a bit more he wouldn't have any problem.!!  Trouble was he only started to complain about it after we started towing.  He said he wanted more "umph" when going up hills. although I was quite happy how it towed. As you know the Abbey Piper is only a small light van. Less weight than your Thomson.

Quote: Originally posted by Papa Pip on 16/1/2008

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You're welcome Als, noy sure how your left leg is but you use that to release the handbrake on the carens and it was a bit too high for me. The C4 has an electronic handbreak! Not sure if I like that or not yet!

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thanks papa but as you may know I used to be a fan of the jeep CJ range and they all had the foot pedal parking brake so that shouldnt be a problem for me

the electric parking brake is a no no for me after having one on this c max, it drives me nuts. much prefure the old method of pulling a lever