We are touring newbies. Recently, in an uphill traffic jam, our car produced darkish, smelly smoke from the front(engine area).
We suspect the clutch. does anyone have a similar problem? Are we doing something wrong, or do we emigrate to Holland:0
We also smell it after going over uneven ground.
Caravan is well under 85% rule when ladened, and the car tows easily in 4th gear at normal speed uphill. We have a 4yr old VW Passat TDI 130bhp.
------------- Simply Yung.(early retiree and loving it)
09 Mondeo 2.0 TDCI,07 Senator Virginia
April 1 ~ 5 York CP
5 ~ 11Loose hill C C
11 ~ 19 Gaer Hyfrid C C
you say your van is well under the 85% of your cars kerbweight , whats the MTPLM of your van ? the book says 1555kg is that right , because if it is and your VW passat 130 tdi is a saloon model you are running at nearer the 100% i would guess
your MTPLM should be 85% of kerb weight,not law but to be safe then the tail does not wag the dog so to speak.think the van may be to heavy for the clutch on the car.looking at these figures you should be ok and just need a new clutch.
Passat Estate
In production
Kerb Weight KG
85% Weight KG
Maximum Towing Weight KG
1.8 Turbo
2003
1596
1300
1300
1.8 Turbo Auto
2003
1657
1408
1500
2.0
2003
1586
1348
1400
2.3 V5
2003
1656
1408
1500
2.3 V5 Auto
2003
1708
1452
1500
2.8 V6 4Motion
2003
1753
1490
1800
2.8 V6 4Motion Auto
2003
1819
1546
1800
4.0 W8
2003
1851
1573
2100
4.0 W8 Auto
2003
1902
1617
2100
1.9 TDi 100 bhp
2003
1625
1381
1400
1.9 TDi 100 bhp Auto
2003
1638
1392
1400
1.9 TDi 130 bhp 5 speed
2003
1618
1375
1600
1.9 TDi 130 bhp 6 speed
2003
1641
1395
1600
1.9 TDi 130 bhp Auto
2003
1676
1425
1600
1.9 TDi 130 4Motion
2003
1749
1487
1700
2.5 V6 TDi
2003
1715
1458
1600
2.5 V6 TDi Auto
2003
1752
1489
1600
Post last edited on 05/05/2008 22:57:57
Post last edited on 05/05/2008 23:00:46
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Quote: Originally posted by skellei on 05/5/2008
Yung, I have heard that Mondeo's have some clutch issues. Have you had a similar problem, or do you have a method to prevent it?
Is it something that we just have to put up with?
yes the Mondeo and a lots of other cars do have this problem specially reversing the only way to deal with that is to be lightfooted on the accelerator.
------------- Simply Yung.(early retiree and loving it)
09 Mondeo 2.0 TDCI,07 Senator Virginia
April 1 ~ 5 York CP
5 ~ 11Loose hill C C
11 ~ 19 Gaer Hyfrid C C
Quote: Originally posted by skellei on 05/5/2008
Yung, I have heard that Mondeo's have some clutch issues. Have you had a similar problem, or do you have a method to prevent it?
Is it something that we just have to put up with?
yes the Mondeo and a lots of other cars do have this problem specially reversing the only way to deal with that is to be lightfooted on the accelerator.
I had the same problem with my C-Max when reversing even though the weights were well inside the 85% rule.
I cured it with a motor mover.Best thing I ever did.
I have also been reading the other posts on here regarding "smoking" clutches and it does appear as though, it is just something that we have to put up with or try and avoid.
We now have a mover fitted, so I have no more need to reverse and living in merseyside, we can avoid some hills, but obviously, I sure I will encounter a traffic jam on a hill again, at some stage in the future.
So what is the best way to perform hill starts whilst in a queue (apart from just trying to crawl along) - do I use as little accelerator as I can get away with and lift the clutch slowly or do I still need to try and get it to 2000 revs before releasing the clutch (which is when the turbo kicks in, I believe)
The other thing that surprised was that although I had been stuck in a traffic jam for around 30 minutes, only around 5 or 10 minutes of this was up hill. Is this still enough to cause the clutch to smoke ? (The traffic jam was very much lots of stop/ start as opposed to a slow crawl). The hill also did not seem to be excessively steep.
The clutch itself is still working normally and the car did the rest of the journey with no problems whatsover
--problem is cars aint got a first(or reverse)gear low enough for pulling double their weight--with a heavy truck you use 3rd gear for pulling off empty & 2nd loaded--you only need 1st fully laden on a hill--its just in the technique--try to slip the clutch as little a poss---dont try & move with the traffic stopping & starting on the hill-allow a gap then give the engine plenty of revs & drop the clutch as quick as you can without jerking--cos that wont do your cv joints any good--
Hi we have a 52 reg Passat same engine and had this problem last year. We got a 4X4 as a tow car now as every hill it stunk. (and the smell lingered).
I do remeber someone on here saying you could get a heavy duty clutch, although I am no mechanic and wouldn't know if there is such a thing. But worth looking into if you wish to carry on towing with the car.
Quote: Originally posted by Ginaherd on 06/5/2008
Hi we have a 52 reg Passat same engine and had this problem last year. We got a 4X4 as a tow car now as every hill it stunk. (and the smell lingered).
I do remeber someone on here saying you could get a heavy duty clutch, although I am no mechanic and wouldn't know if there is such a thing. But worth looking into if you wish to carry on towing with the car.
Gina
It is possible to get a heavy duty clutch.
------------- Simply Yung.(early retiree and loving it)
09 Mondeo 2.0 TDCI,07 Senator Virginia
April 1 ~ 5 York CP
5 ~ 11Loose hill C C
11 ~ 19 Gaer Hyfrid C C
I hold back & leave my self a big gap. Even if i after crawl in 1st gear. Its better then doing 20+ stop & starts. Just watch out for all the ignorant drivers that like to fill in that gap you leave.
As above we got a bike&sidecar,trailer,3 kids so when i see a hill i just ease up on the speed drop back watch the trafic in front of you.If you got no other way just open up the revs and drop that clutch.... Happy campng to you all
This clutch smelling or burning seems to be since manufactureres started fitting the DMF (dual mass flywheel), they have done away with the shock springs in the clutch plate, and built this into the flywheel (DMF) under normal driving conditions it seems to be alright, as soon as you start to tow with it you get problems, there is a firm which makes a conversion kit i think it is called DELSO they make a solid flywheel and a conventional clutch plate.