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Subject Topic: Is Our Passat Too Young to Smoke? Post Reply Post New Topic
05/5/2008 at 10:00pm
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We are touring newbies. Recently, in an uphill traffic jam, our car produced darkish, smelly smoke from the front(engine area).

We suspect the clutch. does anyone have a similar problem? Are we doing something wrong, or do we emigrate to Holland:0
We also smell it after going over uneven ground.

Caravan is well under 85% rule when ladened, and the car tows easily in 4th gear at normal speed uphill. We have a 4yr old VW Passat TDI 130bhp.


05/5/2008 at 10:10pm
 Location: Liverpool
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Yep sound like burning clutch.

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09 Mondeo 2.0 TDCI,07 Senator Virginia
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05/5/2008 at 10:16pm
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Yung,
I have heard that Mondeo's have some clutch issues. Have you had a similar problem, or do you have a method to prevent it?

Is it something that we just have to put up with?


05/5/2008 at 10:37pm
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skellie

 you say your van is well under the 85% of your cars kerbweight , whats the MTPLM of your van ? the book says 1555kg is that right , because if it is and your VW passat 130 tdi is a saloon model you are running at nearer the 100% i would guess



05/5/2008 at 10:47pm
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Hi Neil and Lena,
Thanks for replying.
The van's MTPLM is 1230Kg and we have an estate car


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05/5/2008 at 10:50pm
 Location: Lancashire
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Yep sound like burning clutch.

agree

see     www.cuddles.abelgratis.net/kerbweights.htm - 10k

your MTPLM should be 85% of kerb weight,not law but to be safe then the tail does not wag the dog so to speak.think the van may be to heavy for the clutch on the car.looking at these figures you should be ok and just need a new clutch.

Passat Estate In production Kerb Weight KG 85% Weight KG Maximum Towing Weight KG
1.8 Turbo 2003 1596 1300 1300
1.8 Turbo Auto 2003 1657 1408 1500
2.0 2003 1586 1348 1400
2.3 V5 2003 1656 1408 1500
2.3 V5 Auto 2003 1708 1452 1500
2.8 V6 4Motion 2003 1753 1490 1800
2.8 V6 4Motion Auto 2003 1819 1546 1800
4.0 W8 2003 1851 1573 2100
4.0 W8 Auto 2003 1902 1617 2100
1.9 TDi 100 bhp 2003 1625 1381 1400
1.9 TDi 100 bhp Auto 2003 1638 1392 1400
1.9 TDi 130 bhp 5 speed 2003 1618 1375 1600
1.9 TDi 130 bhp 6 speed 2003 1641 1395 1600
1.9 TDi 130 bhp Auto 2003 1676 1425 1600
1.9 TDi 130 4Motion 2003 1749 1487 1700
2.5 V6 TDi 2003 1715 1458 1600
2.5 V6 TDi Auto 2003 1752 1489 1600



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05/5/2008 at 11:10pm
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Quote: Originally posted by skellei on 05/5/2008
Yung,
I have heard that Mondeo's have some clutch issues. Have you had a similar problem, or do you have a method to prevent it?

Is it something that we just have to put up with?
yes the Mondeo and a lots of other cars do have this problem specially reversing the only way to deal with that is to be lightfooted on the accelerator.

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06/5/2008 at 7:29am
 Location: Northumberland
 Outfit: Lunar Clubman 475-2EK 1998 C-Max TD
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Quote: Originally posted by yung on 05/5/2008
Quote: Originally posted by skellei on 05/5/2008
Yung,
I have heard that Mondeo's have some clutch issues. Have you had a similar problem, or do you have a method to prevent it?

Is it something that we just have to put up with?
yes the Mondeo and a lots of other cars do have this problem specially reversing the only way to deal with that is to be lightfooted on the accelerator.

I had the same problem with my C-Max when reversing even though the weights were well inside the 85% rule.

I cured it with a motor mover.Best thing I ever did.



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06/5/2008 at 12:04pm
 Location: Merseyside
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I have also been reading the other posts on here regarding "smoking" clutches and it does appear as though, it is just something that we have to put up with or try and avoid.

We now have a mover fitted, so I have no more need to reverse and living in merseyside, we can avoid some hills, but obviously, I sure I will encounter a traffic jam on a hill again, at some stage in the future.

So what is the best way to perform hill starts whilst in a queue (apart from just trying to crawl along) - do I use as little accelerator as I can get away with and lift the clutch slowly or do I still need to try and get it to 2000 revs before releasing the clutch (which is when the turbo kicks in, I believe)

The other thing that surprised was that although I had been stuck in a traffic jam for around 30 minutes, only around 5 or 10 minutes of this was up hill. Is this still enough to cause the clutch to smoke ? (The traffic jam was very much lots of stop/ start as opposed to a slow crawl). The hill also did not seem to be excessively steep.

The clutch itself is still working normally and the car did the rest of the journey with no problems whatsover



06/5/2008 at 6:37pm
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--problem is cars aint got a first(or reverse)gear low enough for pulling double their weight--with a heavy truck you use 3rd gear for pulling off empty & 2nd loaded--you only need 1st fully laden on a hill--its just in the technique--try to slip the clutch as little a poss---dont try & move with the traffic stopping & starting on the hill-allow a gap then give the engine plenty of revs & drop the clutch as quick as you can without jerking--cos that wont do your cv joints any good--

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06/5/2008 at 10:08pm
 Location: Preston Lancashire
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Hi we have a 52 reg Passat same engine and had this problem last year. We got a 4X4 as a tow car now as every hill it stunk. (and the smell lingered).

I do remeber someone on here saying you could get a heavy duty clutch, although I am no mechanic and wouldn't know if there is such a thing. But worth looking into if you wish to carry on towing with the car.

Gina


06/5/2008 at 10:14pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Ginaherd on 06/5/2008
Hi we have a 52 reg Passat same engine and had this problem last year. We got a 4X4 as a tow car now as every hill it stunk. (and the smell lingered).

I do remeber someone on here saying you could get a heavy duty clutch, although I am no mechanic and wouldn't know if there is such a thing. But worth looking into if you wish to carry on towing with the car.

Gina
It is possible to get a heavy duty clutch.

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07/5/2008 at 12:51am
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I hold back & leave my self a big gap. Even if i after crawl in 1st gear. Its better then doing 20+ stop & starts. Just watch out for all the ignorant drivers that like to fill in that gap you leave.


07/5/2008 at 5:35pm
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As above we got a bike&sidecar,trailer,3 kids so when i see a hill i just ease up on the speed drop back watch the trafic in front of you.If you got no other way just open up the revs and drop that clutch.... Happy campng to you all 


07/5/2008 at 7:24pm
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Welcome to UKCS melony, hope you have lots of fun on here.

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07/5/2008 at 9:17pm
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 This clutch smelling or burning seems to be since manufactureres started fitting the DMF (dual mass flywheel), they have done away with the shock springs in the clutch plate, and built this into the flywheel (DMF) under normal driving conditions it seems to be alright, as soon as you start to tow with it you get problems, there is a firm which makes a conversion kit i think it is called DELSO they make a solid flywheel and a conventional clutch plate.




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