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16/5/2009 at 8:39am
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Hi.can somebody tell me if suck it and see towing mirrors are legal to use.i phoned a large accessories dealers a couple of months ago and a lady tried to sell me some millenco ones saying that the suck it and see ones are soon to become obsolete.she also mentioned something about an 'e' mark or something.i cant find this on my mirrors though.they are the real thing but i dont want to change them because i really like their versatility and im used to towing with them now.thanx

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16/5/2009 at 10:29am
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"e" marks??
Reminds me I must vote UKIP at the elections.
I've got those which strap on, so I'm interested to see the response as well.


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To be legal mirrors should carry the E mark to say they have been Euro type approved but I hardly think anybody is gonna check.

Tho having said that, dont fear the coppers, fear the insurance assessor, if they were checking your car/caravan after an accident it might be one way of sliding out of the claim.

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16/5/2009 at 1:53pm
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ours strap on but i cant find an e mark anywhere ???? I got them from towsure so I asked if they were legal and was told of course they dont have to have an e mark??? now I'm getting a headache. we have a set that we bought 2nd hand that are like to boxes approx 12'' x 5'' and fit compleatly over the existing wing mirrors and fastren with 3 straps but they weigh a bloody ton ... or should that be tonne????? anyway they are in the shed and we use the light weight un marked ones.But like kartim says whos going to check. atb Bill

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16/5/2009 at 1:55pm
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sorry karim I've got fat fingers lol

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17/5/2009 at 8:50am
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Remember, when you are towing your caravan or any other trailer that is wider then the narrowest part of the rear of your vehicle, it is a legal requirement that you fit additional towing mirrors. These mirrors must be E-Marked. If you are towing blind, without towing mirrors, or using illegal towing mirrors (not EMarked) you can be prosecuted by the police, given 3 points on your licence and fined up to £1000.00.

Copyed this from Millencos web site, the Mark refered to is "E11"  normaly in a circle,

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Informative article here.

Ali



17/5/2009 at 1:56pm
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not quite true.  It all depends on the age of the car.

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17/5/2009 at 3:31pm
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I got the following from the website of caravanadvice.co.uk  and they approach the mirror manufacturer for the legal clarification and the reply was :-

As we have received so many questions regarding the law and towing mirrors, we decided to ask towing mirror manufacturer Milenco. This is what they had to say:

"We are awaiting further clarification of many points of laws and it is without doubt a fluid situation as a result of DOT contradicting information previously supplied to us and the clubs.

None of this has been tried in a court of law so every point could be argued.

The advice we have given as a manufacturer ensures the law will not be broken, and is on the side of caution as this is a safety critical area.

We expect this subject will run in the clubs for months.

Bottom line is, do you want to use mirrors to the 1971 standard or the 2003 standard.

We believe every car made since 2005 already has door mirrors made to the 2003 standard and it seems to us ridiculous to use mirrors not made to any standard or even the 37 year old standard."

It is also a legal requirement that any caravan mirror must be type approved and e-marked. Your caravan dealer or caravan accessory shop should be able to help you to purchase the correct towing mirrors.

There are many different types of mirrors and different ways of fixing them to your car. Again, your caravan accessory shop should be able to help you and will probably allow you to try them on your car before you buy them.

You can buy caravan mirrors with clamps to fix them on to your car mirrors, stretchy rubber bands which fit around the back of your car mirror, or even a mirror with a suction pad (although we're not sure how long this would stay on for at high speeds!).

You can buy either a flat glass mirror or a convex mirror. The convex mirror will obviously provide a wider field of vision but it is down to personal preference as to which you buy.

Remember, try the mirrors on your car before you buy them to check they fit as not all mirrors fit every car. Most caravan accessory shops would prefer you to get the right mirrors the first time, rather than you having to take some back for an exchange.



19/5/2009 at 11:21pm
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I brought some suck it and see mirrors at the weekend and they are E11 marked. Not sure if it is a new thing though.


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20/5/2009 at 6:24am
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Where about on the mirror is the mark duffnut?

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20/5/2009 at 9:09am
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It looks like one of those unremovable stickers wrapped around the arm. Which makes me think it is a new thing.

I would call the company and see what they have to say. Maybe they could send you the stickers or you send them the mirrrors and they could apply some...Who knows till you try. I'm sure they will be intrested in what the dealer told you.



20/5/2009 at 12:39pm
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I have two 'suck it and see' mirrors, one has the silver sticker and the other has the E mark on the back of the mirror.

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20/5/2009 at 11:15pm
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I bought some of the univeral ones from towsure last year, One mirror had an E11 sticker the other had nothing.

I presume that as my car is older than 12 Dec 2005 then the E mark doesnt apply?


Bit confusing that link. Historic vehicles are exempt as they were made before type approval, BUT it stated the E mark only came into force 12 Dec 2005.





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