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Subject Topic: Bikes, Bars, Carriers = confuddled! Post Reply Post New Topic
19/5/2009 at 11:20pm
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Hi there!
Hoping you knowledgeable peeps can help me as I am really REALLY confused!!

My cars handbook has said that my noseweight maz is 75kgs, however, if I put 3 bikes on a carrier on my towbar then that will only leave me with about 15kgs left to pull a trailer?

If the trailer was loaded such that all the weight was at the back, therby 'forcing' the noseweight to 15kg, would that not make it really unsteady? or would it work by counteracting the cycle carrier weight?

Alternatively, should I mount them onto the trailer (although this already has high sides)?

Sorry - I am really confused with all of this!! I thought that taking the bikes with us on hols would be a great idea, but it is turning into a bit of a logistical nightmare!!

Thanks heaps!
Paula x

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Noseweight should not be less than 7% of trailer weight so for a 15kg noseweight your laden trailer would need to weigh no more than just over 200kg. Loading at the rear end is an unsafe way of reducing noseweight.

If you dont include your towbar mounted bikes in the noseweight you risk overloading your car's rear axle.

The way to go here is to mount your bikes on the trailer. If it is one of the popular makes, bike carriers are available for them.

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Personally I have put all our bikes on the roof to spread the weight across the whole car leaving me with the full 75kgs nose weight.

For three bikes I reckon it would cost you about £100 for foot pack and bars and then £120 for 3 thule bike racks. I bought mine on the internet rather than the obvious high street option and saved about £50!



20/5/2009 at 9:36am
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Hi

the max nose weight is just a guide .Its the car manufacturers being on the cautious side.I have carried 3 bike on the tow bar and towed a T/T with no problem no snaking and no swaying. Drive carefully and not like Michael schumacher and you will be alright.Other people on here will disagree with me but it is up to you in the end and you know your own driving capabilities.If you are not sure use a snake master as this will help.

I hope this helps a bit.



20/5/2009 at 12:25pm
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Reducing noseweight is not sensible.  The bikes would be better on top of the trailer.

Jim



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20/5/2009 at 12:55pm
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Quote: Originally posted by gary1 on 20/5/2009

Hi

the max nose weight is just a guide .Its the car manufacturers being on the cautious side.I have carried 3 bike on the tow bar and towed a T/T with no problem no snaking and no swaying. Drive carefully and not like Michael schumacher and you will be alright.Other people on here will disagree with me but it is up to you in the end and you know your own driving capabilities.If you are not sure use a snake master as this will help.

I hope this helps a bit.


 

My understanding is that if you exceed the stated noseweight of the car manufacturer (in any combination) then the vehicle is technically 'overloaded'. Whilst you may feel it is not affecting stability etc. in the event of being stopped by VOSA, or worse having an accident, then they could rule that since the vehicle is 'overloaded' you are also driving therefore without insurance, not a risk I'd take to be honest. I suspect however that the nose wieight of a trailer tent is probably in the region of about 30kg, so even with bikes on the back you will be within the permissible weight of some cars.



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Quote: Originally posted by gary1 on 20/5/2009

Hi

the max nose weight is just a guide .Its the car manufacturers being on the cautious side.I have carried 3 bike on the tow bar and towed a T/T with no problem no snaking and no swaying. Drive carefully and not like Michael schumacher and you will be alright.Other people on here will disagree with me but it is up to you in the end and you know your own driving capabilities.If you are not sure use a snake master as this will help.

I hope this helps a bit.


Certainly do disagree with you if you are overloading your car and driving on same roads as me.

Andy



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I would agree the max noseweight is a guide inasmuch that it is there to prevent overlaoding of the car's rear axle, max weight of which will be in your car's handbook. exceed that & you are committing an offence. If car does look badly loaded it possible you could be pulled & your axle weights checked.

I would say max noseweight as stated in the car's handbook would presume a reasonable load in the car. So if you are towing with just 2 people & not much in the boot it aint so critical.

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I believe it is an offence to exceed the noseweight too.  I think in your position I would put them on the trailer or on the car's roof.  I bought our Thule bars online, cheaper than Halfords etc.  Don't forget that cars have a max roof weight too, our Almera is just 50 kg for instance.

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I don't think the max towbar noseweight is solely calculated on the rear axle loading, although obviously it is important.

The towbar and its fittings have been designed with a maximum weight limit in mind, and this really can't be exceeded. You really can't compensate for noseweight be adding heavy items at the rear.  It's normally a bad idea to have weight at the extremities, as it increases the pendulum effect.

As I said before, the best and safest way is to put the bikes on top of the trailer.

Jim



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20/5/2009 at 8:37pm
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Thanks everyone... I really appreciate your thoughts!

I think, since I will be in France (and I have heard that they are very hot on bike carriers etc etc) I will sort out some way of mounting them on the top of the trailer.

There will be 3 of us in the car, 2 adults + 1 pint-size person, so I think it will make more sense to load the trailer rather than the car (1.5l diesel clio)...

Thanks again!

Paula x

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Quote: Originally posted by fratts on 20/5/2009
I think, since I will be in France (and I have heard that they are very hot on bike carriers etc etc)

Eh? never heard that one before. At the risk of repeating my earlier post, If you have a modern shop bought trailer like an Erde you can buy bike carrying fittings for them. Bars across the trailer & bike channels, same as a car roof rack.


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20/5/2009 at 10:54pm
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Yes - apparently - the French police aren't too keen on rear mounted bike carriers unless they are towbar ones?

I don't have one like an Erde unfortunately, but I think it should be relatively easy to fit bars onto mine and then bike carriers onto those..

Thanks for your advice Karim, much appreciated

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The max ball weight should never be exceeded. Not only is an offence in its own right (unsafe vehicle etc) but you will also benot insured

Put the bikes on the roof of the car where they are out of the way of theives albeit it increases the car height.



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I agree that on the roof of the car is best for safety and security, but the downside is massively increased fuel consumption and on some ferry crossings you have to pay extra for the increased height.  However, beware trailers also have weight limits so if you have a heavy tent make sure you are not exceeding the trailers max weight.

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Quote: Originally posted by Greendemon315 on 20/5/2009

I don't think the max towbar noseweight is solely calculated on the rear axle loading, although obviously it is important.

The towbar and its fittings have been designed with a maximum weight limit in mind, and this really can't be exceeded. You really can't compensate for noseweight be adding heavy items at the rear.  It's normally a bad idea to have weight at the extremities, as it increases the pendulum effect.

As I said before, the best and safest way is to put the bikes on top of the trailer.

Jim



If you have a type-approved towcar (i.e. an EU-spec car S-reg or later), then the towbar will be approved for use with a noseweight not exceeding the manufacturer's limit and it's an offence to exceed this. However, if you're towing with a vehicle that is not type approved then all that matters is that the vehicle is safe. That said, a court might just decide that exceeding the manufacturer's limit is unsafe - and I certainly wouldn't want to overstress the mounting points by overloading the towbar.

Bottom line is not to exceed the manufacturer's "recommended" limit.

HTH,

Geoff



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