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24/10/2010 at 2:04pm
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I have just been looking through my September issue of The Caravan Club mag and spotted an advert from Watling Engineering for a detachable front tow bar. In principle this seems an excellent and affordable alternative to a motor mover for moving my 8.06m twin axle beast but was wondering if anyone had had any first hand experience with such a thing?

 Thanks

http://www.watling-towbars.co.uk/docs/front_towbars05.pdf



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24/10/2010 at 2:41pm
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Site owners etc use them often for manouvring vans. Having seen them used they seem to work extremely well. A good one would be fitted to a crossbeam with easily changeable mounting positions. You won't always want it in the centre for best flexibility.


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Hi Deby28 i had one fitted to my Land Rover discovery and it was brilliant, they are fitted offset so that you can see down one side of the caravan when you are pushing it into position, you can see every move you make and it must be the easiest aid to manouvring a caravan i have ever used.
I have a twin axle caravan and the cost of an electric mover £1500. the cost of the front towbar £150 and it moves the twin easier than the mover
the only downside is that you have to unhitch and re-hitch to the front
take a look at Watlings on line video

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25/10/2010 at 1:11am
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Depends where you use it as well. Where i store my van there is limited room opposite so i could lock the van around into the space but then the car will be almost 90 degrees. How would you maneuvre the van after that bit?

A power mover maybe a lot dearer but the way it can be used made it my best ever purchase. Positioning it onto a pitch and onto levelling blocks is so much easier.

By the time my mate had put his onto blocks using his car mine was pitched & level and had the awning out.



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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 25/10/2010
Depends where you use it as well. Where i store my van there is limited room opposite so i could lock the van around into the space but then the car will be almost 90 degrees. How would you maneuvre the van after that bit?






What you haven't taken into consideration is the fact that the steering wheels of the tow vehicle are right on the tow ball, so you don't have to turn the whole tow vehicle to maneuver your caravan just the wheels

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12/6/2012 at 1:37pm
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Hi, I know this is an old post but I'm searching for info about front tow bars to see if it could help us at all. We keep our caravan on the drive which involves moving it uphill from the road whilst manouvering into position, we have found that the clutch is burning on the car because we cant just let clutch control do the work, it needs some revs for the hill (granted we have only done it twice so far so maybe able to lessen the use of the clutch with practice) Just wondered if the front bar would be any easier on the clutch considering the manouvering would be easier???

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12/6/2012 at 1:41pm
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There is no difference in the weight of the caravan, and 1st gear may be slightly different ratio to reverse, but the fact that you can see directly is a big advantage and manouevering is simpler/quicker.

I've got one to fit on our Discovery after playing with a friend's vehicle that is so fitted.

Offset seems to be more convenient if you are by yourself as you have a view down one side. Our trailer is a 22ft 6-wheel turntable drawbar type and is a real problem to reverse.

Peter


12/6/2012 at 2:19pm
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reverse is usually a lower ratio than 1st, so clutch may still be an issue.
I looked at front bars for mine, but it would have to be a centre fitment otherwise I wouldn't get into the drive, I drove the car up to the van forwards, and saw I would have zero visability down the side, even on the drivers side really, so decided against it.
I got better at reversing it onto the drive, so much so that it goes on in one now, with the wife just watching the back corner as it goes in, the layout of our drive means I have to reverse it on blindside as well.


12/6/2012 at 4:17pm
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Yes, if you have a tight fit then centre bar would be better. Ours is parked on the front of the house which is all hard standing with no restrictions, and we are at the end of a close where the turning round bit is opposite to us, so that helps a lot.

Peter


12/6/2012 at 4:59pm
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I reverse the van onto our drive as far as I can, which leaves it at the top of the drive.  I cannot reverse it any further because the drive slopes down from the road and then flattens.  This means the rear steadies ground. 

So just before they ground I then turn the car around and use the front pushbar.  I have it mounted so that the towball is a lot lower.  I can then move the van further down to where I want it.

It is simple and it works.  We used to have a mover on our last van but the van was light ( 1000kg ). A mover would work with our new van but being a twin axle and the drive fairly steep it would be slow work.



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12/6/2012 at 9:07pm
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Some years ago, I forget at which show, Watling towbars had a pitch and a jeep with a front mounted towbar, together with a (admittedly lightweight) single axle caravan. Prospective customers or anyone who was interested in giving it a go were invited to reposition the caravan into an imaginary 'garage' formed of parking cones that was a couple of feet wider than the caravan and a couple of feet longer.

Positioning the caravan with a front-mounted tow bar was incredibly easy, although the approach was determined by having an offset towbar (on the drivers side) and a right-hand arc approach into the 'garage'.

Alpiner, where/how did you attach your front towbar on your Land Rover? I have been advised that the standard LR Defender front bumper can bend if you place a towbar outside of the front chassis mounts? Did you experience any problems at all? I have a 26ft twin-axle at 1750Kgs so this would be a consideration. I'm thinking of attaching an adjustable receiver either to the offside or both sides to allow for awkward manouevring with either our caravan or boat.



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front towbar video.
best thing i have ever used for moving my twin axle.
suprisingly available for loads of dirrerent cars, not just for 4x4s.
Hi defender the towbar is atatched to a beem that fits between the chassis rails and dosent involve the bumper at all. looking at the car from the front the ball was set to the right so i could see right down the side of the caravan when pushing and i could always place the caravan inch perfect. everyone comes out of their van to watch you do it and ask were did you get that from.
i have recently changed my car and had a mover fitted to the van thinking it would be easy but it now takes me forever to position the van being a twin. wish i still had the £1500 the mover cost me

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Best thing since sliced bread, for manoevring, you can get into some really tight spaces, and put your caravn where you not even think reversing.


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Hi Deby28,I have a twin axle caravan and for some years moved it about using a front Towbar, i have never used anything thats so easy to use and so cost affective.
when i sold the car the new buyer was very very keen that i left it on the car.
When i bought a new car i decided to plash out £1500 on a motor mover and yes i know everyones case is different but i wasted £1350.
instead of going into how easy they are to use decide for yourself if a mover can do whats in the video.
VIDEO.
Just spotted my reply's from 2010 and nothings changed.

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front towbars are not type approved and so insurance companies might not like them fitted, that's if you tell them in the first place. i looked into getting one but in the end got a used motor mover for the van.


24/1/2013 at 10:06pm
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Last year i had to position my van is such a tight spot that i had the hitch only a couple of inches off the wall at the front as i swung the rear through some gates.

One a fairly steep slope also so there was no way i could have done it without the movers fitted.




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