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Subject Topic: Towing with new green 1.6 tdi engines??
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16/5/2013 at 5:46pm
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2 ltr deisels shrinking to 1.6 is all about technological development and caravanners have to go with it. If the manufacturer says the car is capable then it must be otherwise it isn't fit for purpose.
It may mean that driving styles need to be adapted eg more gear changes but it's evolution. Don't think that 1.6 deisels is where development will stop. they will get smaller again at some stage.
Caravans will need to evolve with towcars.

Remember the early deisel sierra's. 3 litres non turbo and completely gutless.


16/5/2013 at 6:51pm
 Location: Ilkeston near derby
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Quote: Originally posted by petra8315 on 17/1/2012
just got rid of a 1.6 peugeot hdi, and couldn't fault it towing did a check on what tow car and it said we would be the first to the top of aa hill, was really the best tow car i have ever owned, the problem is they come with expensive problems like dual mass flywheels and particulate filter


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16/5/2013 at 7:47pm
 Location: Lancashire
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2 ltr deisels shrinking to 1.6 is all about technological development and caravanners have to go with it. If the manufacturer says the car is capable then it must be otherwise it isn't fit for purpose.
It may mean that driving styles need to be adapted eg more gear changes but it's evolution. Don't think that 1.6 deisels is where development will stop. they will get smaller again at some stage.
Caravans will need to evolve with towcars.

I agree trouble is caravans are going the other way. the new version of my van is 100kgs heavier than mine.  Citroen stopped putting the 2ltr in the picasso a few years ago and swapped it for the more powerful 1.6 (psa i think) trouble is it blows turbos for fun and knackers the engines were as the old 2 ltr was bullit proof.

Bessie   



16/5/2013 at 8:06pm
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The 1.6 PSA/Ford/Volvo etc diesel is fine if the correct spec oil is used & changed at correct interval. The specific problem is incorrect spec oil turning to sludge & blocking oilways. Cheap non main dealer servicing may lead to cheap oil used with disastrous results. As engines become smaller & more highly stressed, correct servicing & correct oil will become vital to engine longevity.


16/5/2013 at 9:29pm
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The present Car i have got is the New 2012 Seat Altea XL 1.6 TDI DSG (7 SPEED Auto) SE 5 DOOR . it has Cruise Control and I put it in at 58 mph this has the same engine as the 1.9   .
I sometime wonder if the Caravan is on the back it tows up the hills and on the flat at 60 mph in Cruise control and no problems what so ever ,I am very pleased with this car and soon it coming up for it first service .


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17/5/2013 at 12:16pm
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The problem with the smaller engines is they don't have the bottom end power of a bigger engine. You need to rev the nuts off them to get any performance and in doing that they become less economical than their bigger cousins. A two litre engine doing 1500 rpm uses the same ammount of fuel and air as a 1 litre engine at 3000 rpm.


17/5/2013 at 3:51pm
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Quote: Originally posted by DaveCoaches on 17/5/2013
The problem with the smaller engines is they don't have the bottom end power of a bigger engine. You need to rev the nuts off them to get any performance and in doing that they become less economical than their bigger cousins. A two litre engine doing 1500 rpm uses the same ammount of fuel and air as a 1 litre engine at 3000 rpm.



Not always true i don"t rev my car up at all you be very surprise with this Latest 2012 Seat Altea XL TDI DSG (We went to Melton Mowbray Towing a caravan that is 85 miles away from home went to fill the car up i had only used 2 Gallons this is best car i have owned and saying it a Automatic ..


17/5/2013 at 4:19pm
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Hi Philip are you saying your getting 42 mpg from your car ?? what weight is your van.

Bessie



17/5/2013 at 6:09pm
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Our Bailey Discovery Mercury is a Fixed Bed .
The unladed weight is 910KG
and the Laded is      1130KG that is a payload of 220 KG
We don"t take much when we are away .
We have left here on a full tank and it hardly moved when we have arrived .
Last reading when towing the caravan on the car was 39 mpg so i think that excellent for a Auto (DSG) .....


18/5/2013 at 3:11pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Tentz on 16/5/2013
The 1.6 PSA/Ford/Volvo etc diesel is fine if the correct spec oil is used & changed at correct interval. The specific problem is incorrect spec oil turning to sludge & blocking oilways. Cheap non main dealer servicing may lead to cheap oil used with disastrous results. As engines become smaller & more highly stressed, correct servicing & correct oil will become vital to engine longevity.



the oil used is irrelevant, (of course you must still use the correct oil) but its not what causes the issue, the oil will sludge up regardless, it does not help if it is not properly changed ,(clearing oil gauze filters etc.) but the trouble is unless you have owned the car from new and nursed it all the way through doing the oil changes yourself etc you will never ever know until its too late.

i purchased a picasso with 55k and full citroen dealer service history, had the oil changed when i bought it then changed 6k later, it want bang with 10k and managed too blow the injector seal on the same injector three times!


i would steer well clear of that engine.


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18/5/2013 at 5:28pm
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Its the way of the internet, all diesels can have turbos fail, mostly through lack of oil changing/wrong oil spec. There are probably more Psa/Ford DV6 1.6 diesels in use in Europe than any other single diesel engine so some are bound to fail. The engine has had 10yrs of continuous development so any problems with early engines would have been sorted out by now.

Its dodgy buying any older diesel car as potential repair bills are always going to be higher than petrol.


18/5/2013 at 10:34pm
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used to be your mate down the pub now its the internet....

there is a fundamental flaw with the way the oil feed works in this engine though, Ford have tried to fix it post 98 but still coming up with premature turbo failures.


24/5/2013 at 11:47am
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I have the Touran 1.6 TDI Bluemotion and tow a Challenger Sport 442 regularly and find it tows great. The MTPLM of the Sport 442 is 1235kg which light for today's vans but OK for an older 4birth it should be fine, but check of course. I tend to get around 30 MPG on average. When I think of my outfit years ago which was a 13ft 5 birth Lunar Venus towed by a Renault 19 Diesel with 64 BHP, driving my outfit now is a dream.

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