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Subject Topic: Unbraked Towing Capacity any Ford pre 04? Post Reply Post New Topic
09/6/2012 at 2:42pm
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Does anyone know the unbraked manufacturer’s towing capacity of any Ford pre 2004....... if you do, where did you find it? It’s a strange question I know, but I’m looking to buy a trailer and having a hard time getting this info. Also my apologies as I know that a lot of people ask these kind of questions and I have looked through the forum and I’m still stumped.

I know that legal the limit is 750 kg or half the vehicle’s kerb weight whichever is lower (my licence is pre 1/1/97 so no issues there). Then I found out that manufacturers set their own capacities for each car, so I tried to find out what mine was, which has proved to be a lot harder than I thought. Finally I used Go Caravanning’s tow car guide it says that my 98 – 04 Ford Focus 2.0L Ghia 5dr has:

Kerb Weight: 1303 kg
Un-braked Manufacturers towing Capacity: 0 kg
Braked Manufacturers Towing Capacity: 1200 kg

The un-braked capacity of 0kg was a bit alarming so I then looked at the other Ford’s on the list of a similar age and they all come up as 0kg. Even a 00 – 07 Mondeo Estate 2.0 TDCI is listed as having a Un-braked Manufacturers towing weight of 0 kgs. Rival manufacturers and models are all listed at around 600kgs.

I presume this is either a lack of data or the manufacturer hasn’t set a limit. It seems unlikely that no Ford pre 04 / 07 can tow so much as an empty crisp packet unless it has brakes on it.

So far I have looked through the net and not found the un-braked weight, the handbook brilliantly suggests I contact a Ford Dealer (I’m not hopeful they will know for my age of car). It’s not on the V5C. This Haynes guide http://www.haynes.co.uk/wcsstore/HaynesPublishing/images/PDFs/H4212spread2.pdf says that it’s on the VIN plate, first is the un-braked weight, then the braked: my vin plate gives the weights (1670kg, 2870kg, 915kg, 855kg) these seem too high to be towing weight and not right for gross train weights either. I am completely confused.

Can anyone tell me where I can find this information, please?

Yours in total confusion

Old English


09/6/2012 at 3:35pm
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1670kg, 2870kg, 915kg, 855kg

I've got 1197kg as the unladen weight, so if we try a hypothetical case:

ULW: 1197kg
Max weight solo: 1670kg
Max train weight: 2870kg

That gives you 1200kg for your trailer or caravan with a fully-laden car.

The other figures shown look like front and rear axle Maximum weights.

It's a stab in the dark, but the figures don't look too out of place.

Peter


09/6/2012 at 4:06pm
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Quote: Originally posted by listerdiesel on 09/6/2012
1670kg, 2870kg, 915kg, 855kg

I've got 1197kg as the unladen weight, so if we try a hypothetical case:

ULW: 1197kg
Max weight solo: 1670kg
Max train weight: 2870kg

That gives you 1200kg for your trailer or caravan with a fully-laden car.

The other figures shown look like front and rear axle Maximum weights.

It's a stab in the dark, but the figures don't look too out of place.

Peter



Those look as if they are for braked trailers, not the unbraked that OP requested.

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09/6/2012 at 4:19pm
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Unbraked is a maximum 750kg for any towcar, as long as it has the towing capacity in the first place, which it has, so that won't be an issue.

I take the point that unbraked was requested, but establishing exactly what the car would do would go some way to determining any other parameters.

I did look for information on the unbraked capacity for that car, but like the OP I couldn't find anything.

Peter


09/6/2012 at 8:26pm
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I think you have answered your own question I had a look on a couple of trailer websites and if it is approved to tow ,I.E. has got the weights marked on the car the law is as you say see http://www.wheeliebox.co.uk/pdf/towing.pdf


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10/6/2012 at 6:01am
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No info in your logbook?

1303kg kerbweightthe max unbraked towing weight will be 600 - 650kg.

As the OP pointed out its 750kg maximum unbraked OR.. Half the cars unladen kerbweight.

If the unladen weight is 1197 as mentioned above then the mat tow will be around 550kg - 575kg.



10/6/2012 at 3:23pm
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Thanks for all the responses, first just a correction for anyone else reading this, the kerb weight is actually 1266kg not 1303kg - spent too long investigating other Fords and got the wrong figure .

So as I understand it from listerdiesel and Grampian91 if I take half the vehicle's unladen weight I should be within the law. I am going to phone my insurance co later and query the weight with them as insurance is probably going to be more awkward than the legal side!

Thanks also to 4teejay for putting the pdf on here, its good to get a document with all the rules in one place.


Mark.


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Just to confuse things, our other car has an unladen weight
1100kg with a braked trailer weight of 1200kg and unbraked of 400kg


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Unbraked limits set by manufacturers are often very low, below the 50% of kerbweight which the Law allows.

Best bet would be to ask at local dealers and if they don't know, then approach Ford direct.

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10/6/2012 at 10:28pm
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I agree with the above also. The figures i put wont be correct for all models. If a particular model has smallish brakes or a light rear end that may lower the unbraked limit.



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11/6/2012 at 11:37am
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Spoke to the insurance company this morning and they came back with a weight of 557 kg. So I'm sticking with that!


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I did find it somewhere for a Mondeo which was 750kg (same as the legal limit) but cannot remember where I found it.


15/6/2012 at 9:23pm
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Only the later diesel mondeo's can tow an unbraked 750kg.

Earlier cars and some later petrol models are less than 1500kg unladen kerbweight. So will have a lower unbraked limit.




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