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PersonNixtoo
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I have a 2010 Honda Jazz 1.4 petrol and I'm trying to work out it's kerb weight.

The plate on the car has two weights 1555kg and 2555 kg (no info with these numbers.

The hand book states the kerb weight as 975 - 1119 kg
It's towing max is 1000kg.

The v5c has revenue weight 1146kg gross (is this my maximum legal weight? If so with 4 passengers I'm breaking the law)

Can anyone clarify what the kerb weight is as it will have a big impact on the folding camper we buy.

Thanks

Nicola


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1555kg is the Maximum authorised mass ie weight of car and everything in it. Add 1000kg being the max you can tow and you have 2555kg being the gross train weight.

That would be my thoughts anyway!

Ali


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What weight of folding camper are you looking to buy?

Ali


PersonNixtoo
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Either a fiesta/countryman (750kg safe buy) or ideally pathfinder/crusaider (1000 kg may be a weight risk).

It's the 1146kg gross on the v5c that concerns me, googling hasn't helped.

Post last edited on 10/07/2012 20:16:25


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I think it is the weight as manufactured. Best bet is a weigh bridge then you will know for sure as different specs and add ons make each car unique.

Ali


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The Jazz's are a good car (we had 1.4 for a while)but there a bit gutless and I doubt they would have sufficient power to tow 1000kg let alone stop in an emergency .
If your looking for a caravan I would consider a change of car or a lightweight trailer tent


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The new jazz is 98bhp, definitely a more powerful engine than the older model (we also have a 2003 jazz). Eventually we plan to get a bigger car. Ideally would like to get the 1000kg folding camper but only if the jazz will pull it. Not expecting anything amazing from it, just to reach our destination (slowly).
As I can't figure out the kerb weight it's hard to know whether it's a silly match or not.


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As I said, if in doubt peeps use weighbridges due to the many options on cars these days.

Ali


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How do you get the kerb weight on a weigh bridge? I thought it was calculated with a driver of a set mass and 90% fuel tank.
I would use a weigh bridge to check I wasn't over the max permitted load.


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Quote: Originally posted by Nixtoo on 10/7/2012The new jazz is 98bhp, definitely a more powerful engine than the older model (we also have a 2003 jazz). Eventually we plan to get a bigger car. Ideally would like to get the 1000kg folding camper but only if the jazz will pull it. Not expecting anything amazing from it, just to reach our destination (slowly).
As I can't figure out the kerb weight it's hard to know whether it's a silly match or not.
The Jazz 1.4 we had was a 59plate(2010 model)98bhp and it had a towbar fitted by Honda and believe you me it struggled with a garden trailer with 500kg of bagged tree bark.
The kerbweight for the model we had 1.4 iVTEC EX was around 1020kg so to tow at 100% which is what your proposing would be inadvisable .
Its all very well towing a ton behind a small car but try doing an emergency stop with that weight behind you


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Neil and Lena, how did you find the kerb weight. Was the trailer you pulled light weight? In what way did it struggle?


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Yep but if you weigh the car as it stands then add the standardised driver weight of, is it 70kg, you would get an idea of the car's kerbweight. It should be around the revenue weight shown on your V5 but I have to say I have never heard of a revenue weight, only kerbweights etc.

You essentially need it to be over 1000 kg so you aren't towing more than the car weighs. The alternative is to ring Honda perhaps?

But regardless you are going to be very close with a 1000 kg folding camper and almost certainly over the 85% recommendation.

Ali


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If the revenue weight is the kerb weight it's an 87% match.

I think we may have to go for the lighter trailer :(


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Quote: Originally posted by Nixtoo on 10/7/2012Neil and Lena, how did you find the kerb weight. Was the trailer you pulled light weight? In what way did it struggle?
The trailer which we still have is an ERDE 142 which has a
unladen weight of 95kg and a max loaded weight
of 600kg = 505kg payload .
So we had 20x25kg bags in the trailor which meant we were towing 600kg including the weight of the trailor .
The car spent most of the time in 4th because in 5th gear was really only usable on the flat and the minute it encountered a slight incline we had to change down .
The kerbweight I seem to remember was on the V5 document


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On your log book (V5C) it will have section

F1 Max permissable mass,

and G Mass in Service.

What are those figures?

Also Section O.1 Braked towing weight
and section O.2 Unbraked towing weight.

If you post these figures, We can tell you exactly what it can and cannot tow.

The max tow could be 1000kg with just a driver. So adding any passengers or luggage may reduce that.
My car cannot be fully loaded and tow its max legal limit because the gross laden weight would be exceeded.


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Those sections on the v5c have no information. Only the revenue weight is quoted. The plated max laden weight is 1555kg with a total max train weight of 2555kg.

The handbook states the maximum braked trailer weight as 1000kg and unbraked as 500kg.



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