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31/7/2012 at 11:57am
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Hello everyone!

Expat in Canada here and just about to embark on a caravan purchase, looking for some sensible advice from sensible people...

I own a 2010 Nissan Pathfinder, it's got a tow rating of 2700kgs (I notice the UK ones have a slightly higher rating), with a 4.0l V6 (I wish we could get the diesel over here).

With the prevalence of giant pick-up trucks over here, the Pathfinder is considered a "poor" tow vehicle. Basically everytime I suggest towing a "small" caravan here, I get raised eyebrows, much air sucked through teeth and head shaking(like a plumber assessing a job), one chap spat his chewing tabbaccy at my foot and tried to beat me with his cowboy hat!!! Admittedly, the caravan dealers who assured me I'll be fine!!!

What is a small caravan I hear you ask... Well anywhere between 2,000-2,300kgs, 21-24ft long, 8' wide and 10-11ft tall.

Of course, I will use a weight distribution hitch and anti-sway set up.

Now we have some differences in the challenges we face over here... Much bigger lorries, that are not restricted to 56mph (I know, they still manage to go faster...), although our speed limits are generally lower - 62mph on the motorway (everyone does about 75mph) and 50mph on A roads.

Yes we have hills in Ontario, it's no Scotland or Wales but we manage some fairly long and substantial climbs nonetheless.

Anyway, as I said before, I need sensible advice from people who will not immediately resort to "bigger is better" thoughts. I should point out that I can't replace the Pathfinder for a while, I'm still paying for it you see, so no it's not an option for me to go buy the Ramiest of the Dodge Rams!!! So, if you also collectively shake your heads, I'll know it's time to rethink what I want to tow.

Looking forward to your replies.



31/7/2012 at 12:29pm
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The vehicle is basically quite light and short wheelbase for what you want to tow, a heavier vehicle with longer wheelbase would be better, which is probably why most people are questioning your selection of tow vehicle.

The LWB US-built pickups are really the sort of thing to look at in my view.

If you look at almost anything being towed in North America, it has a GM/Dodge/Ford pickup towing it, and for good reason.

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31/7/2012 at 1:50pm
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I'm confused why you're asking us - few of us are going to know anything about which caravans are available in Canada.

Even the biggest caravan I've seen in this country will be easily pulled by your 'diddy' Pathfinder so I assume they have bigger stuff over there?

You're not just trying to show-off your huge car and soon-to-be huge caravan, are you? :-)

 



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For sure, my intent is to waggle my massive car and enormous caravan in your faces.. Lol.

I'm asking you guys because I'm guessing that some of the stuff I'm looking at, see specs above and links below, must be similar to what you lot are towing over there. I was looking for your experiences of this sort of thing.

Problem is over here, everyone simply says "go bigger", I'm not 100% convinced it is necessary and I was hoping to get real world experiences from you guys.

One of my leading contenders is a Jayco X213:

Jayco Floorplans

Another is the Keystone Outback 210RS:

Outback 210RS

I'm just wondering if these would give you pause for thought if you could/would buy them in the UK and if you owned a Pathfinder.

That's all really.

No worries if nobody wants to give advice or thoughts. I'll just have to accept the wisdom over here and put off a caravan until I can afford to upgrade my vehicle to a Ford F150 Polar Bear Extinctinator!!!


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Most of the caravans we saw last year in Canada were huge, (twin or triple axle) all seemed to be towed by big pick ups, or were fifth wheel set ups.

I guess they don't import British Vans into Canada, although Bailey are exporting to Australia. Of course they drive on the left so not as difficult to convert.

I did see some smaller US made vans around, have seen one or two here but I cannnot remember the make.

Try good ole google?



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31/7/2012 at 5:07pm
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The issue is the kerbweight, I dont know the laws over there but over here your would be advised to tow a caravan with a plated gross laden weight of 1800kg.

Which would cover almost all caravans in the UK.

The caravans you have over there probably exceed the kerbweight of the car which is a big no over here.

But over there you will probably have power brakes etc.

Your probably going to need a large gearbox oil cooler, And get the gerboc oil changed every year or 2.

Dont think the rear suspension will take 250kg though???
Nope it wont 120kg MAX... Even the feather lite requires a 190kg hitchload. (UNLADEN) So even more when laden.
X213 = over 200kg.

Buy a big truck or buy a tent. Import a UK or European van?






31/7/2012 at 6:13pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 31/7/2012
The issue is the kerbweight, I dont know the laws over there but over here your would be advised to tow a caravan with a plated gross laden weight of 1800kg.

Which would cover almost all caravans in the UK.

The caravans you have over there probably exceed the kerbweight of the car which is a big no over here.

But over there you will probably have power brakes etc.

Your probably going to need a large gearbox oil cooler, And get the gerboc oil changed every year or 2.

Dont think the rear suspension will take 250kg though???
Nope it wont 120kg MAX... Even the feather lite requires a 190kg hitchload. (UNLADEN) So even more when laden.
X213 = over 200kg.

Buy a big truck or buy a tent. Import a UK or European van?



Curb weight is not an issue for me. I have checked that.

The trailer has its own power brakes, with a controller in the car.

I have the factory tow package which has a transmission radiator (it's an automatic).

The hitch rating on my Pathfinder is 600lbs/273kgs. The X213 has a hitch weight of 450lbs/204kgs dry (a model with all the factory accessories, propane tanks, batteries etc had a hitch weight of just over 500lbs can't remember the exact number but that still gives me about 50kgs to play with for our stuff).

Thing is, on paper, I'll be within my limits but will it be an ok towing experience? Tough call.

I'm thinking that this is comparing apples and oranges. Sorry to have wasted everyones time.


31/7/2012 at 8:04pm
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Thorin, we've hired motorhomes and 5th wheelers in Canada and the US, and I would say conditions over here are completely different to yours.

Here we have few automatics, electric trailer brakes are illegal, and caravans are far far lighter.

My car, a 4x4, has 150bhp but can only tow 1400kg (3,000 lbs) and has a hitch weight of 70kg. Our caravan, all up weighs in at 1000kg. We have cassette-type toilets, instead of the tank type which are much lighter, and our caravans do not have grey water tanks either, those are external waste containers which are emptied before travelling. Some caravans now have internal water tanks, but smaller than the 55 gallon tank in our last motorhome. Most caravans though still use external fresh water containers with the electric pump outside. We even have lightweight gas bottles now.

Fridges are far smaller, and the internals are built of lightweight materials, not the solid cabinets built into American vans.

Really it is impossible for us to give you any clear help in this matter, sorry!


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Not sure how its rated at 273kg noseweight. When the brochure says 120kg max.
Whats the rear axle limit?

Kerbweight would be an issue over here when the trailer is heavier than the car.

Car says turn left, Trailer says no thanks go straight on.
Trailer wins...

Ive been on US sites where they have welded up the rear suspension spring to stop them moving so they coud attach huge trailers.

Seems the rules and laws are so far apart your never going to get an answer you like on here.

The standard oil cooler possibly wont be upto the job.

Ive had auto's and if towing above a certain limit then it required an additional oil cooler to the one already fitted.

Towing really warms up that fluid.



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All I know is the specs per my owners manual, which match those provided by the dealer and other sources, which indicate my max hitch weight, is 600lbs...

Anyway, seems irrelevant as this "bright" idea of mine wasn't so smart. I should have realised that the way we tow over here wouldn't be the same as back home.

Thanks for everyone's input.

Cheers




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