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Subject Topic: a couple of questions about towing Post Reply Post New Topic
31/7/2012 at 8:29pm
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My tow car is a Mk 5 VW Golf GT-TDi 2.0 140 bhp. I'm thinking of getting it re-mapped upto 185 bhp, ive been quoted £199. My 1st question is, would this make it a better towcar or worse, i dont understand how the 'torque' works. I'm assuming it would, but just need to be sure.

My 2nd question is...if i was on a long journey through the night towing a caravan, am I legally allowed to pull into a layby and sleep in the caravan ?



31/7/2012 at 10:31pm
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Hello there, first question, not too sure , but the 85% rule should apply , 140bhp sounds a lot to me , I had a pug 607 2.2hdi 136bhp pulled ok. Just make sure your loaded van doesn't weigh more than your loaded car . Cos even if you think it'll pull it , you will still need to stop it under control & safely in an emergency .

Question 2 , if I were you I wouldn't stop in a lay-by if it were right next to the road, lorries make a bit of noise and give some buffeting as they go by .Don't think its illegal(safe is another story), lorries do it every night .


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Re your 2nd question, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to 'wild camp' at the roadside, not to mention dangerous. Best to plan your journey and book a site with a late arrivals area en route.


31/7/2012 at 11:54pm
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Regarding your first question, you will find that the majority of vehicles with a higher BHP will be faster and diesels will typically produce more engine torque although it is not always the case as with the Hyundai Tucson for example. Although the Tucson is classed as an acceptable towcar it only has 111 BHP but delivers a huge engine torque of 181 lbs./ft. This means that although it's not actually a fast vehicle it's climbing ability is somewhat awesome. Now the Ford Focus 2.0 diesel estate has 136 BHP and will do 0 - 60 mph. in around 9 seconds but has less engine torque of 177 lbs./ft. which is more than adequate for it's towing capabilty. Your vehicle already has 140 BHP which currently delivers a massive engine torque of 236 lbs.ft. so in comparison to the above then you already have in your favour far more than what is required. To increase the engine BHP may not necessarily increase the engine torque so to pay for an upgrade of £199 really is not worth it judging by the engine spec you already have.

Regarding your second question, the law on motorhomes in lay-by over night stops in England and Wales is different to that in Scotland. In England and Wales you cannot legally stop in a lay-by overnight and the Police have the right to move you on although they may well just turn a blind eye to it just for one night. However, in Scotland you can of course legally stop in a lay-by overnight so if this is the case with motorhomes then the same law will also apply to caravans as well.



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Torque is essentially 'low down grunt' so if a re-map increases torque as well as the BHP output (out & out power) then yes you'll notice an improvement in towing, especially when setting off from the lights, junctions or merging onto motorways.

I don't think it's legal to stop in any old lay-by, however it's worth checking as I do think it may be ok to stop at larger lay-bys, with a verge between the lay-by and the road (you know the ones that tend to have a public loo, burger van etc) but I'd check if I were you.


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01/8/2012 at 10:53am
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My apologies as I made an error in my first post regarding the engine torque of the Ford Focus 2.0 diesel. The actual engine torque for this engine is is 251 lbs.ft. and not 177 lbs.ft. as stated. It is the Ford Focus 1.6 diesel that actually has 109 BHP with 177 lbs./ft. I thought I would mention this to get my facts right.


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You probably wont get 185bhp extra unless their rolling road is rather optimistic.

You will get a decent increase though. But you dont want every last BHP they can squeeze out of it.

You want the torque to come in a lot lower and as much torque as you can get.

Custom remap and no rolling road = generic remap. Custom is one tailored for your car. Not your make or model or engine type. Your actual car.
Take 20 identical cars off the production line and some will produce more power than others. Not a huge amount these days but different.



01/8/2012 at 2:22pm
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I tow with a 140bhp 2 litre Yeti and I very much doubt you will need any more power than that to tow with a Golf, expecially as the Golf is lighter.



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