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16/9/2012 at 10:10am
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. . .Fell foul of one on the road to Prestatyn, the coast road.  I should say he nearly fell foul of me.  Approaching a sharpish LH bend, this guy was belting along furiously. handlebars and upper body all over the place.  Me, expert that I am lol thoufht it was OK to overtake.  So I gave him loads of room.  Well, what room there was, I should say which I reckoned on being well sufficient.  Anyway, to make a short story long, I heard this almighty shout behind me.  Aware that if the `van had caught him, I might not have felt anything but he would undoubtably have, I checked my mirrors.  He was pedalling so furiously now, I reckon he`d be in line for a Gold medal.  But I`d be in line for a bloody nose at the very least if he caught me . . .   Approaching a roundabout or something , he appeared non the worse.

Now being a cyclist meself, I can fully sympathise; some cars do cut you up a bit.  But most are OK, as long as you keep your wits about you.

There was no blood on the van . . . I suspect he`d seen my car go past, and started to pull out not realising I was towing.

So that`s a lesson learned  . . . .maybe for both of us.  I couldn`t stop since when the opportunity arose,  he`d gone elsewhere. . . . . . To be brutally honest I was glad about that . .  Anybody else had unfunny moments towing?



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16/9/2012 at 11:32am
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If you come up behind a cyclist you need to keep behind them until it is absolutely safe to overtake, simple as that. What I find annoying on my bike is when cars accelerate hard when overtaking particularly if they don't leave much room, it could cause the cyclist to wobble & fall against the vehicle with possibly fatal results.

What a driver needs to understand when driving is that a cyclist is not an obstruction that is impeding their progress but another road user that is in front of & going slower than them. Regard a cyclist as no different from overtaking a tractor for example, only overtake when you are sure you will not need to cut in & only when road ahead is completely clear.

I would agree that some cyclists do ride aggressively but really when cycling in traffic it is about being positive & fighting for your bit of road & it is riding like this that helps a cyclist stay alive better than those that ride timidly.


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its about time cyclists had to have insurance sorry if this upsets people but i am sick to death of them coming up the inside when traffic is slow and the cycle club near the lake i lease are an accident waiting to happen 20 of them all over the road on blind bends


16/9/2012 at 11:58am
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And road tax...


16/9/2012 at 12:15pm
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I`ve been wi cyclists who go whizzing round bends, wrong side o` the road.  That`s the silly age.  Anything under 60 . . .

They all think they`re Migual Indurain.  They hit the ground, don`t feel the pain . . . being held up  riles, get outa my way . . .  got a lotta miles ta cover today!



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16/9/2012 at 12:50pm
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Sorry,  but I'm with the cyclist on this one.....much as their "holier than though" approach gets up my goat, they have to be treated as irrational and unpredictable so I alway give them a very wide berth and wait until there is a significant margin of safety before I pass.

They rarely show me any thanks, but at least I never get any abuse either.

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16/9/2012 at 1:07pm
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Some responses point to why cycling is so dangerous in this country. Drivers just regard cyclists as an annoyance rather than as other road users. Certainly one can regard any other drivers as an annoyance but difference is that cyclists tend to get killed or injured if you hit them. Blaming cyclists does not make them any less dead.

Unfortunately the geography of the roads in this country does not give much scope for building proper cycle tracks kept apart from the roads as there is in Holland for example so in UK cyclists have to make as much progress as they can among the traffic.

Painting cycleways beside the road & on footpaths does little good as it does not allow the cyclist to make reasonable progress & to get to work & so on in a reasonable time frame the cyclist has no choice but to use the road, so the vehicle driver needs to understand they have a duty of care to any cyclist they encounter on the road whatever the conduct of that cyclist.


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does a cyclist not have a duty care

i was watching one of those emergancy type progarammes on tv a few weeks back

a cyclist was killed by what they first thought was a hit and run driver, but the girl phoned the police when she got home to report hitting an animal she was arrested and checked for alcohol which she was clean, anyway after a lot of investigation it was found the cyclist was wearing dark cloths, no lights on his bick or reflective bands he was also two times over the legal limit he had been riding on a duel carrige way in the middle of the inside lane this poor girl had come round a bend and hit him. now she was found not guilty on all counts but the coroner said it was a great tragedy that the cyclist had had a promising career cut short as a musician what about the poor girl who has to live with killing a drunk on a bike can you imagine the outcry if she had been over the limit but not a mention that he was over


16/9/2012 at 2:37pm
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You say you're a cyclist yourself and yet you decide to overtake on a sharp left hand bend, you got off very lightly as far as I can see


16/9/2012 at 2:48pm
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I am amazed that there is any sympathy for the OP - overtaking an apparently agressive/wobbly cyclist on a sharpish LH bend whilst towing a caravan, quite possibly with no view round the bound, is asking for trouble. It's only good fortune that the cyclist was not seriously injured or worse.

As a cyclist myself and a responsible driver the continuing attitude of aggression to cyclists by other motorists is disappointing.

Some cyclists may well have a bit of an attitude problem but they need to be agressive to survive and they get killed, not the motorist.


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but they need to be agressive to survive and they get killed, not the motorist.


that is possibly one of the silliest things i have ever read

i am a responsible driver 30+ years no accidents never had points ect but am amazed that people can try and defend people who through ignorence and bad attitude to other people on the road can cause death albiet there own, how many times have your read someone has crashed going to fast and said its there own fault they deserve it ect, now its not my fault that somebody thinks he is bradley wiggins on the tour of britain going round with another 15/20 licra clad people on country lanes on the wrong side of the road, if it was motorists there would be hell to play but because these people can die its ok and were in the wrong by driving normal, now dont get me wrong i dont really have anything against cyclists my daughter rides a bike but i am sure when i did my cycle test at school you were supposed to ride in single file but i doubt most of these did anything like this


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Quote: Originally posted by TITELINES on 16/9/2012
but they need to be agressive to survive and they get killed, not the motorist.


that is possibly one of the silliest things i have ever read

i am a responsible driver 30+ years no accidents never had points ect but am amazed that people can try and defend people who through ignorence and bad attitude to other people on the road can cause death albiet there own, how many times have your read someone has crashed going to fast and said its there own fault they deserve it ect, now its not my fault that somebody thinks he is bradley wiggins on the tour of britain going round with another 15/20 licra clad people on country lanes on the wrong side of the road, if it was motorists there would be hell to play but because these people can die its ok and were in the wrong by driving normal, now dont get me wrong i dont really have anything against cyclists my daughter rides a bike but i am sure when i did my cycle test at school you were supposed to ride in single file but i doubt most of these did anything like this



An aggressive riding style does NOT involve 20 other people nor does it involve licra. It certainly does NOT involve cycling on the wrong side of the road.
It DOES involve taking a fair share or the road without being pushed into the verge. It also involves clear signals and adopting the correct path at junctions and roundabouts. If we did not motorists would cut us up something rotten.

The original post did not involve any of the ludicrous exaggerations you have alluded to. It was a lone cyclist on the correct side of the road and the clothing would be quite irrelevant.

I think you need to keep things in perspective.


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"You say you're a cyclist yourself and yet you decide to overtake on a sharp left hand bend, you got off very lightly as far as I can see"

I have to agree.  The bend was 150 m or so away; I did think there was room, but - and it`s a big but - I underestimated his speed somewhat.  And one or two other things maybe . . . I`m only glad I didn`t learn the hard way.



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Cyclists have to accept some responsibility for there own safety. They pass from all angles in traffic, on the left, the right and weave between vehicles. This makes it much harder for the motorist to know where they are.

If cyclists want to be treated like any other road user then they should behave like one. That includes stopping at red lights, give way lines and at pedestrian crossings.

If a motorist drove in a similar manner to the average cyclist then they would soon end up in jail.

Driving through red lights, weaving around pedestrians on zebra crossings and taking to the pavement to avoid traffic is not acceptable behaviour for the motorist, so why should the cyclist be any better.

As for the condition of a lot of bikes on the road, no lights, no brakes, buckled wheels. Anyone taking a car onto the road in this condition would be demonised yet for a cyclist it's all fine and dandy.


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As a lorrly driver as well as a cyclist I always stay behind a cylist until I know I can get past him allowing him as much room as I possibly can. This tends to annoy some drivers behind me but that's something they have to deal with.

In the lorry or out on my bike I regularly see vehicles driven by people who oviously think I shouldn't be on the road. One inconsiderate idiot overtook me on my bike recently & then turned left right across my path towards our local golf course. I honestly thought I was going to hit his car. A driver comnig the other way stopped & told me he'd seen the whole thing, was on his way to the golf club & intended having a word with his mate who was driving the car which cut me up. I could see little point because, as far as I'm concerned, drivers like him don't like sharing the highway with anyone.

I've worked myself out routes to give me up to 20 miles where I keep my use main roads to a minimum. The problem cyclists have in lanes is drivers who believe no one else is using them & they go round them like the clappers. I often wonder if drivers are aware cyclists can't hear much behind them because, in my experience there's quite a lot of wind noise & cars are sometimes very close befoe I hear them.

I love cycling & I do between 60 & 100 miles a week for exercise, it's a lovely way to see the area in which I live, to get fitter & hopefully healthier. Lots of people would benefit from getting out on a bike, it might even make the roads a safer place for cyclists if more drivers saw things from other road users perspective.

Give a cyclist a little of your time & if possible, room to fall off when you overtake, you can't turn the clock back, once you've hit them off the damage is done & you can't undo it. Other motorists somewhere just might be overtaking a bike being ridden by a member of your family & no doubt you'd like them treated with consideration.

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Cyclists are people. As humans they can behave unpredictably. If you came up behind your son, brother or someone that you knew, riding a bike, would you be that little bit more careful. If the answer is yes then you are not treating cyclists (other road users ) with the humane respect that all people deserve. Let's be careful with other peoples' lives

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