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17/9/2012 at 3:54pm
 Location: West Midlands
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We have bought a Sterling Europa 500/C 1999 model with a MIRO of 975kg and MTPLM of 1230kg.

We currently have a Citroen C4 Grand Picasso, 2010 model, 1.6 HDi VTR+ and are looking to change our car in January 2013.

We would ideally like another Citroen C4 but dont know if we are within the limits of safe towing. Another option we have is a Vauxhall Zafira either 1.7CDTi or 1.8 petrol.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.....

 

 

 

 



17/9/2012 at 4:21pm
 Location: Royal Forest of Dean
 Outfit:  Swift Major 4SB
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It's been a while since we had a GC4 Picasso but I remember the tow limits are low. The details will be in your handbook but from memory the max tow weight is 1180 or 1050kg depending on the gearbox type.

You need a bigger car.

Rob


17/9/2012 at 5:04pm
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I also currently have a C4 Grand Picasso 1.6HDi, and towing limit for that model is 1180kg.

If you want another C4 Pic then it would be worth taking a look at the 2.0HDi, which has a max tow of 1500kg.

http://www.cuddles.abelgratis.net/citroen.htm#gc4p10


17/9/2012 at 5:20pm
 Location: West Midlands
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Thanks for all you replies - does anyone know the kerbweights of the Vauxhall Zafira's?


17/9/2012 at 5:36pm
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If you are looking at new cars try the Vauxhall website, if you are looking at older models use the link above and go to the Vauxhall page.

Rob


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17/9/2012 at 5:43pm
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Hi Rob, Its a brand new one Im after. Ive been on the website but they only give ranges depending upon engine size which range from 1000kg-1400kg but dont say which engine size is applicable to which weight.

Does anyone know if towcar.info a reliable website for information?



17/9/2012 at 5:52pm
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Try this:
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/bypass/download/gb/ZafiraPriceGuide.pdf

Have a look at the new Zafira Tourer as well.

Rob


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Try whattowcar.com You can match your car & caravan to see if they are a good match.


17/9/2012 at 7:44pm
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Dont buy a new Vauxhall they have never ending engine problems



17/9/2012 at 10:15pm
 Location: Midlands
 Outfit: Mondeo Avondale Gram
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Vauxhall's towing weights are a bit vague.

Seemingly identical models and engine power outputs will have various towing weights.

Engines maybe as low powered as 67bhp. Avoid that like the plague if towing.
Sister nearly bought an astra with that engine.




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18/9/2012 at 9:48am
 Location: West Midlands
 Outfit: Avondale Dart 556-6
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we have a 57 plate Vauxhall, Zafira 1.8 petrol and we tow a 6 berth Avondale Dart.  The guy at the dealer told us we would never tow a 6 berth with it, but after looking into ourselves we found that this was a suitable match!  it tow's like a dream and we have taken it over some tricky roads!!

Never had a days problem with it!  17



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18/9/2012 at 2:29pm
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Except some Zafira's have a 1000kg or 1100kg maximum towing limit.

1300kg with a 1.8 engine may be tow like a dream to you but someone else may say its underpowered.

And im sure your outfit is an illegal match. Is that max tow not 1200kg? But your vans 1300kg?


So probably why the dealer wouldnt sell you one. Unsafe but legal match is OK to sell. But no an illegal match.




18/9/2012 at 11:49pm
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MOA is 1070kg for the Dart 556, most caravans even 4 births have a MOA of close to 1400kg, Avondale Dart 556-6 has a much lower than average weight, 85% weight for Zafira is 1298kg, max caravan load 1300kg. Max train weight for zafira on fully loaded is 1300kg. Avondale manual recommends 1.5l engine for 85% vehicle weight, 1.8l and above can go to 100%. best advice know the requirements, do your specific maths for your own car.

second to that instead of overpowered costly vehicle's, learn to use a rev counter and understand how to use rev counters and ensure best performance from your car at a far less cost.



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19/9/2012 at 1:43am
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Overpowered costly vehicles?

Figures i have show the 1.8 petrol as having a 1200kg maximum towing limit.

Parkers and Cuddles websites seem to agree with the figures i have.


In this case its not about the kerbweight its the max tow weight.
Some zafira's cannot legally tow 85% of the kerbweight.

The 1.8 petrol is one such model. 1200kg max.



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