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FlyFifer

25/9/2012 at 9:38am
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Just taken van for its service and was asked if i needed an Electric Certificate at £111.00 or sign a disclaimer.
They told me the National Caravan Council want this mandatory and some sites may not let me on.
Never heard about this and never been asked by any site
Its a big chunk of money over and above the £200+ service cost,disclaimer signed

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geoff+emmy

25/9/2012 at 10:16am
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This is a new one....

Rallye550

25/9/2012 at 10:21am
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Never heard of that in my life and £200 is way over the top to pay for a service. I'd find somewhere else in future.

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michael

25/9/2012 at 10:32am
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they are just trying it on,(Electric Certificate at £111.00 ) the only time one is provided is when the caravan was first produced.we have been caravanning over 12 years now and never been asked for this to be shown.can just see a long line of caravans waiting to book in to the site at keswick and the first 6 caravans have not got one.

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iscacamper

25/9/2012 at 10:57am
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I agree it sounds like they're trying it on.

What does the disclaimer say? I assume they gave you a copy?

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Definitely a con! The NCC tried to introduce it about two years ago and got shot down in flames. They are a toothless organisation with no powers whatsoever and are more commonly known as "Noddy's Caravan Club".
At the NEC two or three years ago some people queried this supposed certificate and they avoided answering questions about it. I wrote to them asking for clarification but they never responded. I wrote a second time but got no response again.
Seems that they conned a number of companies to send technicians on their electrical course, but it then fell flat on its face and no more was heard. maybe this company is trying to recoup that money for the training course.

birdman101

25/9/2012 at 11:56am
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Someone is trying to take you for a ride.I have never been asked in 40 years of caravanning.A landlords certificate for a house does not cost that.

timtheenchanter

25/9/2012 at 1:43pm
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£111 thats steep, although it would be cheap for a house (unless its small)
check the small print in your insurance, some may request it, but any qualified electrician can do it, its just an EICR (formally PIR) for your caravan, should take no longer than an hour, I would think about £50-60 would be closer to the mark.

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Quote: Originally posted by timtheenchanter on 25/9/2012
£111 thats steep, although it would be cheap for a house (unless its small)
check the small print in your insurance, some may request it, but any qualified electrician can do it, its just an EICR (formally PIR) for your caravan, should take no longer than an hour, I would think about £50-60 would be closer to the mark.

Why spend money on something that is not required now or in the future? I have never heard of any incident where a caravan has suffered any electrical fault where lives have been put in danger.

JTQU

25/9/2012 at 2:14pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Surfer01 on 25/9/2012
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Why spend money on something that is not required now or in the future? I have never heard of any incident where a caravan has suffered any electrical fault where lives have been put in danger.

I still feel that making sure potentially lethal mains electricity system is safety checked periodically cant be anything than a sound idea?

The only issue I have is the seemingly very high price being charged to do it.

iscacamper

25/9/2012 at 2:26pm
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Surely the safety of the mains electric system is checked as part of a normal habitation service anyway?

There is a PDF link here to the NCC service schedule for motorhomes - I can't find the one for caravans, but presumably it's pretty much the same:
See bottom of page for link to PDF

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Quote: Originally posted by iscacamper on 25/9/2012
Surely the safety of the mains electric system is checked as part of a normal habitation service anyway?

There is a PDF link here to the NCC service schedule for motorhomes - I can't find the one for caravans, but presumably it's pretty much the same:
See bottom of page for link to PDF

On a service at the dealer they only check the electrical, water and gas systems and never service them unless it is specifically requested and then you are charged extra.

timtheenchanter

25/9/2012 at 3:03pm
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houses are recommended to be checked every 10 years, and they never move, surely a caravan should be checked now and again.
I do my own, checks the cabling for insulation breakdown (remember those mice in another thread), earth continuity, as well as proper operation of the RCD (time to trip and trip current)
AFAIK the normal service checks are for functionality, possible a check for proper burning colours on gas flames, unless requested.

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25/9/2012 at 4:12pm
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FlyFifer

25/9/2012 at 4:57pm
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He did apologise before he asked but said he had to ask me
Been going there for years and never been asked before
Think NCC are putting pressure on dealers about it

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It's recommended in the supply regs that caravans are tested every 3 years and a certificate issued.If the servicing dealer didn't offer to get it done for you and there were an incident with the electrical system they could possibly accused of failing in their duty of care to point out that it is a recommendation,they are covering their back by getting you to sign a disclaimer.

Judging by the amount of posts on here with electrical faults involving RCD's and MCB's I would think it isn't a bad idea to get it certified but not for that price!

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