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Subject Topic: Ford Focus Econetic towing issues
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13/11/2012 at 9:55pm
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Hi all!
Just picked up a brand new 2012 Fucos estate 1.6 duratorq Econetic from work and was just about to phone the towbar guys when I noticed in the "Towing" section of the glovebox manual that the Focus Econetic "is not approved for trailer towing!!!!!!!!
Anyone got any experience of this as, if it turns out that this particular version of my fav car is not actually "type approved" for towing I am left with a rather expensive (tax) works car that is no good to me privately!!!!!!
Went to the dealers and they were just as suprised, telling me to phone the Ford "certificate of conformity" department for confirmation who then asked me to email them...waiting for their reply at the mo.
Have a horrible feeling that, given the road tax and conjestion charge exemption of the econetic that Ford have blagged, the powers that be aren't going to give type approval to yank a caravan around that will cancel out all those lovely emmision claims :(

Hopefully someone else has hit this???


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Always do your homework before you sign for a car !

looks like your stuck for a while

 



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If you configure the car on the Ford website you can specify a towbar. Possible reason could be that unless you specify towbar at time of ordering rear body trim may not allow aftermarket towbar fitting.


14/11/2012 at 12:11am
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Firstly there are two versions of the 1.6i duratorq which have different engine power output one being 90 BHP and the other being 109 BHP. I towed my caravan with the 1.6i diesel estate 109 version with 177 lbs./ft. engine torque on a 92% which I admit I felt a little uncomfortable with. Now I didn't realise this myself but looking in the Ford Focus MKIII brochure under the section 'weights and loads', the small print reads as follows:  '*ECOnetic and ST models are not suitable for towing'. Apparently both the 1.6i Duratorq  90 and 109 versions both have asterisks by them which means that both these models are unsuitable for towing. However, don't despair as you need to check first which version you have, the 90 or 109 and what the laden weight of your caravan is first then work out what the match is and if it's under 90% I wouldn't worry about it too much if it's the 109 version but you do however need to be cautious as it can be sluggish on motorway inclines and standing starts although the plus side was that I did get 40 mpg. with the caravan in tow and up to 70 mpg. solo.


14/11/2012 at 12:16am
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Going to get worse as they head towards just lowering the emissions. The actual MPG doesnt matter just emissions as low as possible.

Some models are not typre approved for various reasons. Bodywork or mechanical parts vary from the main models etc.

The Mondeo ST220 would on paper make an excellent towcar. 6 speed, Lots of power and torque. But they are not type approved also.

So we maybe buying older cars to tow caravans with.



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I think this is going to be the same issue for many of the "Eco" cars out there.
I was given a new VW Golf BlueMotion and was a bit concerned about towing. However the golf is still quite powerful and the towing limits are the same as a standard golf, although the car is lighter, the engine is smaller cc but has just as much power.
Obviously when towing the Mpg goes down from. Economic 60 mpg to 35-40 mpg on ours.

it did cost a fortune to put the towbar on too!


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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 14/11/2012
Firstly there are two versions of the 1.6i duratorq which have different engine power output one being 90 BHP and the other being 109 BHP. I towed my caravan with the 1.6i diesel estate 109 version with 177 lbs./ft. engine torque on a 92% which I admit I felt a little uncomfortable with. Now I didn't realise this myself but looking in the Ford Focus MKIII brochure under the section 'weights and loads', the small print reads as follows:  '*ECOnetic and ST models are not suitable for towing'. Apparently both the 1.6i Duratorq  90 and 109 versions both have asterisks by them which means that both these models are unsuitable for towing. However, don't despair as you need to check first which version you have, the 90 or 109 and what the laden weight of your caravan is first then work out what the match is and if it's under 90% I wouldn't worry about it too much if it's the 109 version but you do however need to be cautious as it can be sluggish on motorway inclines and standing starts although the plus side was that I did get 40 mpg. with the caravan in tow and up to 70 mpg. solo.



It matters not a jot which of the two engines the OP has got if the car isn`t type approved for towing! Use of the car with a trailer of any sort will be illegal, invalidate the warranty and invalidate the insurance. It is black and white, there is no `grey` area.


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I saw a focus the other month and it was covered in stickers saying it was only 1.0 litre engine!


14/11/2012 at 3:54pm
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Well this is all a bit odd. I don't know if something has changed recently. The Focus brochure that you can download from the Ford website at the moment lists a towing capacity for every engine version.
According to a towbar fitting website this is a direct quote from the Dept of Transport regarding type approval:
"If the manufacturer has not authorised the towing of a trailer by declaration during the type approval process, no train weight will be shown and it is not permitted to fit a coupling device or tow a trailer."
So by what they've put in the current brochure it looks to me that now Ford are suggesting they have type approval for towing for all the engines currently on offer in the Focus. Suppose the engines might have changed slightly in the last few months but otherwise I'm a bit confused?


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The Info given on the Ford website for the 1.6 duratorq shows a maximum tow weight of 1200 kgs for both models ;-

http://www.config.ford.co.uk/fordconnection/multimedia/gbr_en/00i/yyh/gbr_en00iyyhmodelspc.htm

Would hope that is up to date, as structurally there should be no reason why the car could not tow, an different engine specification isn`t going to change the basic vehicle.

if you have got the vehicle, have a look on the V5 document as that will give the max tow weight as required by EU law to gain type approval. If there is no weight given, you cant tow, if there is one then that is the towing limit given by the manufacturer.


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14/11/2012 at 8:20pm
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Al, not sure that would have saved me coz there is no mention on the Ford site and all the normal things that I am used to checking (tow limits/train weight etc) are all there on the vin plate AND the brochure.
I have had a focus estate since the mk1 was out as a works car aand used it for private so know what its limitations are weight and bhp-wise and the 1.6 (95bhp) is perfectly good at yanking our 520 swift around, albeit with a bit of careful gear selection.
Angus, you basically sum it up and that is what I need a difinitive answer to.

Is the car officially type approved for towing or not.

I am sure it is perfectly capable and, indeed the fixings are there but that is not the issue ..... I need to know that Im not going to invalidate my insurance.

Still waiting for an answer from ford although I was copied in when my query was passed to another department to be fair.
May also get our fleet manager to speak to their insurers as I would have thought they would have access to that sort of info.

Cant believe how far I am having to dig into ford for confirmation .... surely its not that hard a question.
The Hendys showroom was the funniest bit .... what if I was a potential customer who came in to buy what has been the tow-Car of the year and got sold one these WITH a towbar on it coz the salesman didnt know any different!!!!!


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The answer will be on the V5C (log book).

What does it say in section O.

O.1 Braked towing limit
O.2 Unbraked towing limit.



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What are the numbers on the car's weight plate?

If there is a difference in the two larger numbers then the car must be able to tow as it has a higher Gross Train Weight than the Gross Vehicle Weight. If they are the same (or the 2nd number is n/a or blank) then it looks like the car is not homogulated for towing.

What power / emissions are the car?

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The problem seems to be that Ford are issuing conflicting statements in different places - ie according to the OP they clearly state towing limits in the brochure and vin plate which suggests it is approved for towing, but also state in the handbook that it is not approved for towing. It looks to me that only Ford can clarify and as the OP says it can't be that difficult for them to sort it out. It will be interesting if they can give a definitive answer.


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A lot of people saying it will be on the v5 but as its a company car presumably leased through a 3rd party company, it will be the leasing company which has the v5 log book as they will be the registered owner of the car.



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You can ask for a copy. Or ask them to give you the information on it.

Thats the information they will have if you got stopped.


Im wondering if this will appear in future MOT's.

If its not type approved or the labels on the towbar are no longer visible will it fail the test?
Currently its only checked to see if its secure.




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