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19/3/2013 at 2:14pm
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Does anyone know what the nose weight should be for an Abbey county Dorset 1998 2 berth, with just the battery and a 4.5kg gas bottle on board. Reason I ask is, we bought one over winter and it came with loads of extras, including a newish looking Milenco nose weight gauge. I thought I would give it a try and was amazed when it went right up the max of 200lb, 90.9kg. this cant be right surely.

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19/3/2013 at 5:28pm
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Is it a calibrated gauge or a cheap one which falls apart?

A guy at my storage yard was trying to get his noseweight right. But everytime he tried the gauge he got a different reading.

Whilst checking to see if it was sticking it fell apart.

Noseweight should be close to but not exceeding the max for the hitch or max for the car whichever is lowest.



19/3/2013 at 5:40pm
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"Does anyone know what the nose weight should be for an Abbey county Dorset 1998 2 berth, with just the battery and a 4.5kg gas bottle on board...."

Have a look at the weight plate on the van, usually by the door or on the A-frame.

Balance your 'van so that the nose-weight is between 4% and 7% of the weight of the 'van. But as Grampian91 says do not exceed the "Maximum Drawbar Loading" (Max vertical load on towball)specified for your car, and do not load anything heavy at the rear of your 'van as this creates a'pendulum' which can lead to a nasty snaking.


19/3/2013 at 6:48pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 19/3/2013
Is it a calibrated gauge or a cheap one which falls apart?

A guy at my storage yard was trying to get his noseweight right. But everytime he tried the gauge he got a different reading.

Whilst checking to see if it was sticking it fell apart.

Noseweight should be close to but not exceeding the max for the hitch or max for the car whichever is lowest.




Its a Milenco, Not brand new buts looks ok, I think my best bet is to use the bathroom scales, although the wife says they read high. lol


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19/3/2013 at 8:28pm
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If it's a Milenco noseweight gauge then you have the best on the market to which they retail around £32 brand new. Regarding the noseweight, it isn't the caravan so much that you have to worry but more the towcar. If you have a vehicle handbook it should give you a recommended towball weight because rear springs can be stronger than other vehicles plus it's calculated regarding the rear overhang from the rear axle and the limit regarding the lift of the front end of the towcar. When you find out what the figure is then the advice is to aim for that target weight as this creates stabilty providing the caravan is loaded right. If you don't know the towball weight of the car then provide some details of the towcar and I can most probably find out. Below are some details from the Milenco website with information regarding their noseweight gauge.

http://www.milenco.com/products/noseweight-gauge/



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20/3/2013 at 8:54am
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"Is it a calibrated gauge or a cheap one which falls apart?...."

A Nose weight Gauge is a nicety which you don't really need.

Place a length of wood under the coupling head and put the other end on your bathroom scales.


20/3/2013 at 9:09am
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Quote: Originally posted by johnjory on 20/3/2013
"Is it a calibrated gauge or a cheap one which falls apart?...."

A Nose weight Gauge is a nicety which you don't really need.

Place a length of wood under the coupling head and put the other end on your bathroom scales.



Thanks for that. seems to be the best/easiest/cheapest way of doing it.


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20/3/2013 at 12:04pm
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Quote: Originally posted by johnjory on 20/3/2013
"Is it a calibrated gauge or a cheap one which falls apart?...."

A Nose weight Gauge is a nicety which you don't really need.

Place a length of wood under the coupling head and put the other end on your bathroom scales.

Dont use talking scales though, it could shout out the vans lighter than you


20/3/2013 at 6:07pm
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If you use scales place a thick board on the top.

Seems they dont like just a 2" square piece of wood on the top.

Must have damaged them. The 1st few readings were spot on, But then it started sticking.

Had to buy the missus some new ones.



28/3/2013 at 11:38am
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OK Guys I have a problem, I bought a good set of digital bathroom scales and checked again. Its showing a nose weight of 98.2kg. Thats with just the spare wheel and a 4.5kg gas bottle in the front locker. Question, Ive had a motor mover fitted to it, and the motors are just forward of the axle, will this cause the problem?

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Getting spare wheel carrier for underneath rear of caravan so spare wheel is moved to back of 'van should reduce your noseweight by 20kg or more which is probably what you want. Depending on layout of caravan you may just be able to place spare at rear inside if there is space, otherwise you can get a carrier specific for fitting under chassis.

For now just put spare right at rear inside 'van & reweigh to see how it changes things.


28/3/2013 at 2:15pm
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Taking the spare wheel out knocked it down to 88kg.if I move the gas bottle and the battery to the centre over the axle that should do it. The awning and frame is now going in the car, so only 2 loungers and a mattress topper on the floor in the front. What a pain this turning out to be, weve only had her a few months and not taken it out yet, Our old Elddis was always spot on, this Abbey must be nose heavy to start with.

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28/3/2013 at 8:24pm
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If you put your awning in the back of caravan you can probably leave gas bottle where it is


28/3/2013 at 10:07pm
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Our Avondale always weighs nose heavy, and our spare wheel is right over the axel, gas bottle is in a side locker reasonably central.

we have to put the awning slightly behind the axel to get it to correct nose weight. while i know this is not great, we are at a loss as to what else to do.

i know i will probably be abused for even writing this but i am genuinely asking for advice.



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I don't think it is too much of a problem if the awning is just slightly behind the axle, we used to struggle to get our noseweight down on our Sterling Europa and ended up travelling with the spare wheel in the boot of the car and not in the front locker.



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05/4/2013 at 4:40pm
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Went to the van today, put the spare wheel in the back by the wash basin with the awning and the frame on top of it. Checked the weight again,it read 75.9kg. B*****ks. The the wife reminded me that we need a bit of flush water in the loo so we can have stop on the way down to Cornwall. Put about 5 ltrs in the tank and checked again, whoopee, 70.1kg, that will do for me.

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