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Subject Topic: Losing the towcar plot! Post Reply Post New Topic
14/5/2013 at 3:19pm
 Location: West Yorkshire
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Ok.  I'm starting to feel that I perhaps have looked at too many options and completely confused myself, and perhaps I need to stop looking for perfection for my under £8k budget! 

I had pretty much decided on the Santa Fe - it would tow practically any caravan we choose next, looks good, is comfortable, there's plenty available at a reasonable price ... but then I convinced myself that the road tax was too high, the non-towing mpg wasn't particularly wonderful and the service costs were too high. And, most importantly, do I really want such a darned big car on a day to day basis?

From squinting at our dealer's website, I figure most of the caravans we're likely to look at weigh up to 1350kg.  So if I add 200kg-ish on for our payload, I only really need to tow 1600kg max (yes, I know the maths is a bit adrift there ).  I still want to retain the higher driving position of an MPV but most of the smaller ones either seem to struggle to make an 85% match on kerbweight or have very low noseweights. 

Should I stick with buying a Santa Fe and just stop stressing that I'm making the wrong decision; reconsider my caravan figures and reconcile myself to fishing from a smaller pool of caravans when we  change later this year; or scout round again to find an alternative car (though I think I'm running out of ideas of ones I can afford that are smaller than a Santa Fe).

And in general, is it much better (as would seem logical) in terms of fuel economy to have a bigger car if it improves my kerbweight % match (for example from 85% to 73%)?



14/5/2013 at 3:49pm
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Have you had a test drive of the Santa Fe yet?

When you say it is a big car, how much difference is it to the other MPV type vehicles you have looked at, you may be surprised at it. The width and height maybe bigger but you may find there is not much difference in the length.

One of my work colleagues teased me about the size of the Range Rover I have until we compared their Jaguar X Type against it ..... there is only an inch and a half difference in the length, it was the height and width that made it look a lot bigger.

How much towing would it be doing compared to solo driving and how much happier would you be with the caravan you want to have rather than a one you are restricted to by another towing vehicle.

In the end it comes down to personal choice and, I am afraid, only yourself can answer that one.



14/5/2013 at 4:52pm
 Location: West Yorkshire
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Thanks ST - you are right about the personal choice thing ... and I do like the Santa Fe!

Yes, thinking about it rationally, the big-ness isn't actually the physical size of the car as I'm driving a Grand Picasso at the moment and that's fine.  It'll be my day to day car, and using a 2.2l Santa Fe for the school run feels like it would be an expensive luxury. It would be used practically every day but would tow maybe six weekends, a couple of weeks and a fortnight each year ...



15/5/2013 at 8:49pm
 Location: North Lincolnshire
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I use my Santa Fe as an every day car and don't find it particularly expensive - certainly cheaper than the 2.9 sedona I had before it! As far as towing goes it is effortless. Take one for a good test drive and see what you think.


16/5/2013 at 11:04am
 Location: Shropshire
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We have a Sorento KX2 which is basically the same as the current santa Fe, it can do 40mpg solo, and last time out with the van did 29mpg. It is better than the previous 2.5 Sorento, which was also much heavier!

My wife usually drives it and averages 38mpg- mix of short and longer trips for work(she is not light footed!). It does about the same mpg as my 07 Saab convertible which is a 1.9 diesel!-But of course that has older technology, but we love it!



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16/5/2013 at 11:50am
 Location: Surrey
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Why is the road tax too high? £260 or something for mine ('09 automatic)...

The SF is a good car but you're right about the economy solo - depending on where you drive (motorway or town), you're going to get high 30s at best. We do almost exclusively short town journeys (kids school runs) and average 26mpg solo and 23 mpg towing a 1600 kg caravan, so not great (actually, the towing MPG is pretty reasonable).

But you have to factor in this is a 2-ton car with 4WD - that isn't a formula for fuel economy.

Personally, I am very wary of those who suggest they get 40+mpg from any large car - mine peak's at 40mpg when doing 60 on the motorway (instant mpg readout in the dash), so to average more than that when doing the normal stop/start traffic, no matter how 'well' you drive, is unlikely IMO. And modern cars engines are all very similar designs (with possible exception of BMW), so I just can't believe some of the claims of others.

I have had a similar dilemma to you and decided to stick with the SF. You could go for an estate/saloon (lighter, no 4WD) and get better economy solo but you lose the driving position and are restricted with caravans, as you already know.

The non-4WD MPVs (Ford Galaxy etc) will get better economy as well, but not enough, IMO, to offset the image/reliability/quality issues they have.

I'm not helping, am I?

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16/5/2013 at 12:36pm
 Location: Sheffield
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we have got a santa fe and love it .... dont quote me but think road tax is well under £200 which i dont class as dear...only had it a couple of months, had a IX35 for 6 months before, which was a lovely car but husband had his heart set on santa fe.......not complaining though cus when he was buying it he got me an i10 which has no road tax first year then only £20...

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21/5/2013 at 12:04am
 Location: West Yorkshire
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Thanks all! Yes, we test drove the Santa Fe and, as I predicted, we loved it - and we've already found the new caravan we want to tow with it, but it's still going to be a big jump from my Grand Picasso (averaging 44mpg on short journeys pootling round the city!). The road tax I think will be £260 - £100 a year more expensive than mine and I already think that mine's expensive! Ah well, no pain no gain!

For those that are running them already - did you choose the automatic or manual, and the five seater or seven (as I understand only the seven seater has self levelling suspension?)


22/5/2013 at 11:23am
 Location: Surrey
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The auto v. manual debate has raged in other posts numerous times. Personal choice; for me, automatic.

I don't understand why anyone would buy the 5-seater? You get absolutely no advantage (unless I'm missing something?) and it makes potential re-sale more difficult; you may never use the extra seats but many people will specifically want it. When I was buying, I was able to ignore the Sorento, Honda CRV and several others simply because they didn't do a 7-seat option (they may now).

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23/5/2013 at 9:42am
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2013 Sorento only comes as 7 seater withSLS, no 2wd versions either! We have 7 seater as it is ex-demo. Probably never use them, they stay folded.

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23/5/2013 at 1:48pm
 Location: south staffordshire
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get the Santa, great car towing or not IMO. You will be looking at a large estate I would have thought and yes you will have a higher driving position but not that different in size. I have auto and can get 40mpg motorway and 30mpg town if careful.



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