I am hoping to get a caravan, a 2 berth and we currently have a Ford C-Max 1.8petrol. Legally the 85% max mtplm is 1200kg but what confuses me is the towcar.info website.
Upon putting my car details in it gives only 2 stars for driving up hill and driving on steep roads (what's the difference?) but in the same breath the first paragraph says and I quote "On motorway inclines you will be able not only to come along, but be the first at the top. On most steep roads you have sufficient power to keep going. ".
It seems to contradict itself. I know it is not the ideal car to tow but will it do the job in hilly areas like the lakes, Wales, peaks or would I literally not make it to the top of a hill or even worse not even be able to go forward?
Many thanks
Mark
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It contradicts itself because the website is merely just a guide and nothing more. Choose a caravan with a certain car and search the details then compare two different cars (first one the same) and the results are different for the first car that was searched and that's why the website is far from being accurate. I spent hours doing various calculations with different cars and caravans and I found that there are certainly various flaws in the results that's why I don't use that particular website any more. The best policy is to find out your vehicle kerbweight, the BHP and engine torque and then use a percentage calculator to do your own maths, that's the most accurate way of obtaining correct results.
I will take a look. If I tow the 85% will I be ok, or will it struggle? The cmax is shocking for mpg anyway but I am concerned about the 2 stars on the up hill towing
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What you have to consider is that the 85% rule is merely only a guide and not actually a legal requirement but any petrol engine will struggle in comparison to a diesel anyway as the torque value is usually much lower and that's one of the reasons for the lower fuel ecomomy. If you provide some details of the C-Max such as year and whether it's an auto or manual etc. I may be able to find out the official kerbweight, BHP and torque etc. to make the calculation.
That's very kind of you, thank you. It is the 58plate, 1.8 petrol zetec, manual.kerb weight is 1422kg.
The biggest peace of mind would be knowing what weight I can tow without having to worry about running out of steam on hilly and steep roads and hill starts.
Thank you for your help.
Mark
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Tango55 I get so confused over car V caravan 85% rule . Ive towed a trailer tent for years Upgraded to a tin ten had no probs with my ancient P reg Volvo automatic 850 se . Now i worry i need to do a detaield study on towing ...new to me...swift 2004 caravan with a mtplm of 1230Kgs .. I just confused :(
Yes the minimum kerbweight is 1422 kgs. and the 1.8 petrol engine has 125 BHP &125 Lbs./ft (169.5 Nm.) engine torque. So you calculation of 1208 kgs. is right for a match of 85%. I used to tow with a Zafira 1.8i petrol engine and found it rather sluggish on even the slightest hills that's why I eventually changed to a diesel but judging by the engine torque it's this that will cause you to struggle more than anything. My previous 1.6 Focus diesel had a torque of 177 Lbs/ft. and even at this higher figure I found it to be a bit sluggish on standing starts and had to drop down the gears on slight motorway inclines and hill climbs.
Quote: Originally posted by pompeyjon on 23/6/2013
Tango55 I get so confused over car V caravan 85% rule . Ive towed a trailer tent for years Upgraded to a tin ten had no probs with my ancient P reg Volvo automatic 850 se . Now i worry i need to do a detaield study on towing ...new to me...swift 2004 caravan with a mtplm of 1230Kgs .. I just confused :(
You need the Volvo kerbweight first then calculate the caravan's MTPLM of 1230 kgs. with the online calculator (previous post) in relation to the kerbweight and it will give you the exact match. To obtain details of your car try the Auto-Trader website, search for car and when found each tab will give you details of the vehicle.
I know it is slightly different but my old car was 2.0 petrol passat towing a 1500kg caravan and it did struggle to get going, hills in the uk weren't normally a problem it was in Europe some of long steep motorway inclines were hard work.
The car will tow a 1200kg caravan, it will be a bit slow on hills & motorway inclines where empty trucks will probably pass you. Does this bother you enough to not have the 1200kg caravan you want? If it does then get a caravan that weighs a tonne or less & it will go up hills quicker.
As pointed out, diesels are better for towing but if this is the car you have & you don't want to change it then it will do the job.
Thanks everyone;we have been looking at caravans as light as possible that still gives us the space. I have found an 06 passat 1.9 diesel that has 186lb/ft at 4000rpm torque. It looks in good nick; its just older than my current car and a grand more than mines worth. It also has a towbar already fitted as if its fate! I will take everything on board.
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Took your advice regarding diesel cars and we decided to get a new car. Got a good deal on a new passat estate; 2.0 blue motion diesel. Can tow up to 1800kg so should be fine with a 1300 or 1400kg van.
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