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12/8/2013 at 8:22pm
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Quote: Originally posted by gil16e on 11/8/2013
We're going to start looking for a caravan over the winter, so i'm starting to do my homework regarding what is the realistic max weight we can tow with out car? Our car is an Insignia Sports tourer 160 CDTi manual which has been remapped to 210Bhp.
I have had a quick look around the net and seen a few caravans we like the look off - one of them being a twin axle Swift 590, but this seems to be right on the limit if our car is fully loaded.
I have been comparing weights etc on what towcar but starting to get confused!
I tow a lot with my work and have class 2 license..

With a non 4x4 are we better sticking to a single axle, or can we realistically tow a twin easily? We live in the highlands of Scotland, so a fair amount of steep hills around the area - so would i be pushing things if i went even to 85%?

Sorry for what seem like daft Q's but i prefer to get honest responses from experienced people, rather than salesmen who are only interested in a quick buck..

Cheers folks :-D



Your VX is really to light to be towing that weight of twin axle Swift and while it may be legal its all very well towing close to 100% ratio but stopping in an emergency and may struggle with that weight pushing you car .
As said previously twins are stable but are hard to manouvre especially onto tight pitches unless of course you have a 4 wheel motormover fitted which again adds
weight to your van and eats into your payload


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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 12/8/2013]As said previously twins are stable but are hard to manouvre especially onto tight pitches unless of course you have a 4 wheel motormover fitted which again adds weight to your van and eats into your payload



Don't agree, especially regarding manoeuvering on site, unless you have something grossly over the top on weight, most cars have enough grunt and traction to tear the turf out under the caravan when rotating a 4-wheeler.

If the ground is wet/slippery then any vehicle will have a problem, not just the Insignia.

We pulled off a wet and muddy field back in May after the Nuenen show with no problems, but we'd expect that with the Discovery, but we were pulling 3.5tonnes behind us, which just means careful use of the clutch and rev's.





We just stayed on the grass and took it gently, no traction control kicking in, no low range selected.

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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 12/8/2013
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Your VX is really to light to be towing that weight of twin axle Swift and while it may be legal its all very well towing close to 100% ratio but stopping in an emergency and may struggle with that weight pushing you car .
As said previously twins are stable but are hard to manouvre especially onto tight pitches unless of course you have a 4 wheel motormover fitted which again adds
weight to your van and eats into your payload




Thanks for the input buddy :-)
I have been on what towcar and with the weight added to the car it comes in at roughly 86-90%, but as said that is basic figures so they may be well out.
Getting conflicting advice re single or double manoeuvrability, so not too sure what to look at?


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12/8/2013 at 10:01pm
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Quote: Originally posted by gil16e on 12/8/2013
Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 12/8/2013
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Your VX is really to light to be towing that weight of twin axle Swift and while it may be legal its all very well towing close to 100% ratio but stopping in an emergency and may struggle with that weight pushing you car .
As said previously twins are stable but are hard to manouvre especially onto tight pitches unless of course you have a 4 wheel motormover fitted which again adds
weight to your van and eats into your payload




Thanks for the input buddy :-)
I have been on what towcar and with the weight added to the car it comes in at roughly 86-90%, but as said that is basic figures so they may be well out.
Getting conflicting advice re single or double manoeuvrability, so not too sure what to look at?




Whattowcar is not the most accurate as its car data is based on European Spec cars which can differ from UK models .




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1600kgs max towing limit with the insignia, so with weight of car, passengers and luggage (400kgs roughly) it should be okay in theory?
Realistically, what is a safe reasonable weight limit I should not go above so I can limit my options?

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Similar question from me really (sorry to hijack your thread Gil16e ) I've just bought an 08 plate Skoda Fabia 1.9 tdi, looking on a towing site it says 85% of the cars weight is 1055.7kg. I'm looking at getting an Abbey Piper 15.5 1995 model,but am struggling to find the specs for it. Any help would be brill thanks.


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Btw when did you pass your driving tests?

Ali


15/8/2013 at 12:15am
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Ok so also check the manufacturer's stated max tow weight for your Skoda to ensure it is not less than 1055kg.

Has the van a metal plate on it, by the door or on the tow hitch? A manual in the cupboard? I can't remember what happened to Abbey, was it Swift group that swallowed them up? Might be worth a phone call.

Ali


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Firstly thanks for the help Ali. Haven't bought the van yet as i don't want to get lumbered with it if the car won't/can't tow it. I found a site that says the max tow weight is 1200kg for the Skoda Fabia. Also found a site for the Abbey Piper 15.5 that says this:
Year1994
Internal Length 5m/16'5"
MTPLM 1060 kg.

Assuming i'm only slightly over on the 85% rule for the Piper could i realistically go right up to the 1200kg limit due to me having a really old licence?

The car will be fully loaded too with 3 adults and 2 kids btw so would i be ok as long as i don't exceed the 3500kg?

Totally confuse with all these rules/figures :)


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Providing you are not over the max tow weight, the noseweight is within limits and max train weight etc you should be fine.

Ali


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"Must Not Exceed Ratings":

GVW = Maximum all-up weight of the car with passengers, fuel etc.

GTW = Maximum all-up Train weight which is loaded car as above plus loaded trailer/caravan.

Front Axle Weight - as shown on your vehicle sticker inside door jamb.

Rear axle weight - ditto as above.

Towbar noseweight/Imposed Loading

Rest of the weights are generally recommended, but going over the 85% recommendation should only be done if the combination of car and trailer/caravan is stable and safe at those weights.

The problem everyone has is:

"How the hell do we KNOW those weights are safe!"

The bigger/heavier the car, the safer it is to start exceeding the 85% figure, but although it is only a recommendation, it is based on not putting an unsafe combination of vehicle/van on the road, such as a Berlingo and a twin-axle 18ft caravan.

The user has to be prepared to throw a lot of thought and common sense at the problem, including taking advice from others as on this forum.

What we and others cannot guarantee is that you will not load the caravan tail-heavy or just simply overload it, you will not drive at excessive speeds and so on.

What most of us have, is years of experience with towing, mostly good but a few have had accidents and learnt from them.

Another good plan is to get out and see what others are towing with your model of car, that will give you a pretty good idea of what is on the road already.

Peter


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Boltonloyal make sure you see the weights for yourself if you do buy the van, don't take the info on the web as gospel. There is a lot of carp information out there both on vehicle kerb weights and caravan weights.

Ali


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Quote: Originally posted by gil16e on 14/8/2013
1600kgs max towing limit with the insignia, so with weight of car, passengers and luggage (400kgs roughly) it should be okay in theory?
Realistically, what is a safe reasonable weight limit I should not go above so I can limit my options?



find your insignias kerbweight and look for a van that when fully loaded is 85-90% of that figure





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