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Subject Topic: tow car outfit suitability/saftey ? Post Reply Post New Topic
03/9/2013 at 2:44am
 Location: BOLTON
 Outfit: Vanroyce 470etl
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Hi guys newbie to this caravanning lark and just looking for a bit of advice and your expert opinion on my towing outfit ? (forgive my long post)

I have checked car owners guide (not listed anywhere) researched high and low finding various figures on different websites and ended up contacting nissan uk for accurate kerbweight. They informed me that kerbweight is the vehicle with essential fluids/lubricants and 1/3 tank of petrol (without driver or luggage)

Towcar: Nissan Juke Tekna 1.6 (2wd) CVT (auto) 2012  I know not the best towing vehicle in the world but when I chose this car last year the towing specs were the last thing I was interested in... lol   Anyway, the stats are as follows:

kerbweight 1254 (no driver or luggage)   max towing 1250

Caravan: Van Royce 470elt (1998)  

Ex Works (assume = MIRO) 1085  MAW (assume = MTPLM) 1300 

I've taken these figures from original owners handbook

So if I have understood things correctly in an ideal world I want the 85% match which is kerbweight 1254 x .85 = 1,065.  My van MIRO = 1085 so not far out at 86%

However, this leaves very little/no allowance for extra pay load in the van. I obviously intend to load the van with minimal lightweight essentials (pillows/duvet/few clothes etc) and load the car with any additional heavier stuff to keep the van load down and increase tow car weight (also adding a driver & passenger) I have played about on the TowCar info calculator and after adding 100kg total payload to the van and 250kg to the car (inc driver & passenger) I'm getting a 94% ratio .....4 star rating with a 'good' overall saftey & stability for my outfit.  As a total novice to towing would you guys say I am stretching things on the saftey front...... or is my outfit 'reasonable' ? 

Thanks in anticipation (a stressed out newbie) 

 



03/9/2013 at 7:20am
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Caravan is too big really, you need to aim for about 85% ratio with fully laden caravan particularly with a petrol engine which will have less torque for towing than a diesel. Obviously you can legally load to max weight but the driving experience won't be that good.

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03/9/2013 at 7:37am
 Location: Hants
 Outfit: Fleetwood Heritage 640 EB & ML270
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If the plated MTPLM of the 'van is 1300kg and the max. tow of the car is 1250kg I think it would be illegal to tow the 'van.


03/9/2013 at 8:44am
 Location: Harrogate Yorkshire.
 Outfit: Skoda Octavia 4x4 & Compass Omega 482
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You need to have a read of this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dlkxxx3v6vvnyve/Matching-car-van.pdf



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Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0TDi 4x4 (2012) towing a Compass Omega 482 (2014)


03/9/2013 at 8:55am
 Location: Harrogate Yorkshire.
 Outfit: Skoda Octavia 4x4 & Compass Omega 482
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May help from the CC matching service.

The Club advises that a Nissan Juke Tekna 1.6 CVT (2010) should not tow a Vanroyce 470 ETL Classic (1998)

This outfit combination does not match. Kerbweight ratio: 124%
The caravan's laden weight is more than the car's kerb weight. There is significant risk of stability problems, especially at higher speed. The Police may consider this combination unroadworthy, and it is illegal for drivers with a standard car licence issued since 1st January 1997.
This outfit combination does not match. Towing limit ratio: 120%
The caravan's laden weight is over the car's towing limit, which the Police may consider unroadworthy and which may invalidate the car’s insurance. It is not usually practical to lightly load the caravan to mitigate this issue.
This outfit combination does not match. Gross train weight ratio: 109%
The sum of the car and the caravan’s fully laden weights exceeds the car’s gross train weight. There is significant risk of the car’s GTW being exceeded in use, which would be illegal, and thus this combination is not recommended.
This outfit combination is a good match. Nose weight ratio: 133%
The car's nose weight should be fine to safely tow this caravan. If this figure is high, however, (typically over 100%) care will be needed to load the caravan so that the car’s nose weight limit is not exceeded, but this should be practically achievable. Aim for 5-7% of the caravan’s actual laden weight without overloading the car.
This outfit combination could be a match. BHP per ton : 39
The car's engine power is quite low to tow this caravan. It may be sluggish and uncomfortable on hills or at junctions.
Glossary of terms


Nissan Juke Tekna 1.6 CVT (2010)

Make     Nissan
Range     Tekna 1.6 CVT
Model     Juke
Year     2010
Fuel type     Unleaded
Transmission type     Automatic
Body type     Sports utility vehicle
Kerb weight     1213.00kg
Towing limit     1250.00kg
Gross vehicle weight     1675.00kg
Gross train weight     2925.00kg
Nose weight     75.00kg
BHP     117
RPM for maximum BHP     6000.00
Maximum torque     158.00
RPM for maximum torque     4000.00
More info
Vanroyce 470 ETL Classic (1998)

Make     Vanroyce
Range     470
Model     ETL Classic
Year     1998
Type     Caravan
Berths     2
Number of axles     1
MTPLM     1500kg
MIRO     1186kg
User payload     296kg
Hitch limit     0
Shipping length     6.48m
Overall width     2.10m
Overall height     2.53m

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Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0TDi 4x4 (2012) towing a Compass Omega 482 (2014)


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03/9/2013 at 11:23am
 Location: None Entered
 Outfit: Coachman Pastiche
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1300 / 1254 x 100 = 103.6%
You use mtplm, not miro.

It's not relevant in this case anyway as the mtplm exceeds max towing weight.

This outfit is illegal and dangerous.


03/9/2013 at 12:49pm
 Location: Midlands
 Outfit: Mondeo Avondale Gram
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The van is likely to be heavier than the MIRO also.



03/9/2013 at 11:49pm
 Location: Lancaster
 Outfit: Landcruiser & Avondale Mayfair 510-5L
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Obviously from other posts, that combination doesnt work; has the caravan been purchased?

If so, its a sorry situation.

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Chris
Caravanning for 22 years
1997 Toyota Land Cruiser 3.0TD & 2004 Avondale Mayfair 510-5L
Previous towcars:
2002 Nissan Primera - sold
2002 Ford Galaxy - Died & scrapped. Good riddance.
1998 BMW 525TDS SE - PEx
1998 VW Passat SE - Crashed into & scrapped
1997 Peugeot 406 GLX - PEx


04/9/2013 at 12:04am
 Location: Lichfield
 Outfit: Coachman Amara 450
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If the caravan's gross weight (MTPLM) is 1300 kgs. to create an 85% match you need a towcar with a kerbweight of around 1530 kgs.


04/9/2013 at 12:17am
 Location: Lancaster
 Outfit: Landcruiser & Avondale Mayfair 510-5L
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And some reasonable noseweight capacity;
If MTPLM is 1300kg, 5% gives 65kg, 7% gives 91kg.

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Chris
Caravanning for 22 years
1997 Toyota Land Cruiser 3.0TD & 2004 Avondale Mayfair 510-5L
Previous towcars:
2002 Nissan Primera - sold
2002 Ford Galaxy - Died & scrapped. Good riddance.
1998 BMW 525TDS SE - PEx
1998 VW Passat SE - Crashed into & scrapped
1997 Peugeot 406 GLX - PEx



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