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24/1/2014 at 8:26am
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 24/1/2014
Quote: Originally posted by ROG. on 23/1/2014Quote: Originally posted by billyboy84 on 23/1/2014permissable gross weight 2030kg
That means on a B licence you can tow a trailer/caravan with a max MAM/MTPLM of 1470 kgs
Providing the vehicle towing capacity does not make the actual weight less than that
Which the Mondeo does to a slight degree.
The cars gross laden weight and max tow weight exceeds the cars gross train weight.
1800kg max tow is with an unladen car. Add weight to the car and the max tow limit reduces.
Your diesel should have a gross train weight of about 3700kg though.
I did wonder if that was legal. Being over 3500kg?
The GTW being listed over 3500 has no bearing on licence
It is the combination of GVW and trailer MAM that matters
Example - a transit van can be 3500 GVW and 6000 GTW but can still be driven on a B licence with a 750 kgs MAM trailer
I could use a similar example for a LGV C vehicle which has the towing bit for a DRAG trailer ... it could be 32000 GVW and 44000 GTW but unless the trailer is over 750 kgs then its still a C licence required and not a CE
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24/1/2014 at 5:55pm
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I wasnt 100% sure when my sister wanted a caravan. So we chose a Mondeo with a gross train weight on 3490kg.
I printed off pages from the DVLA website. Just in case also.
If they got someone that said she needed a B&E. She had proof of the outfit being a B only.
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24/1/2014 at 9:30pm
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You still have that out of date info in your signature
And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.
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25/1/2014 at 1:48am
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The unladen kerbweight bit? I have not found a proper GOV link that says its no longer valid.
Still active links that make most of the towing rules vague depending on how lucky you get with a google search.
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25/1/2014 at 12:07pm
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Quote: Originally posted by ROG. on 24/1/2014
You still have that out of date info in your signature
And the Caravans gross laden weight must not exceed the cars UNLADEN weight.
Rog you are 12 months out of date, that condition was removed last year.
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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013
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25/1/2014 at 4:23pm
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Sorry Rog I read it differently but now you say that it is obvious. I just thought it was very unlike you to get that wrong.
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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013
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25/1/2014 at 6:41pm
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Exactly... As clear as a muddy glass of muddy water.
Although it would appear...
Why cant they put it in black and white.
Its bad practice to load a trailer more than the car when caravans are concerned so my signature will stay for the foreseeable future.
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 25/1/2014Exactly... As clear as a muddy glass of muddy water.
Although it would appear...
Why cant they put it in black and white.
Its bad practice to load a trailer more than the car when caravans are concerned so my signature will stay for the foreseeable future.
Caravans ... ok fair point but that's not the law which your signature suggests
Does this site include drivers who tow other sorts of trailers?
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25/1/2014 at 11:23pm
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Its a caravanning site, So i doubt many HGV drivers come here for advice.
Not just caravans though, Ive seen the aftermath of LandRover towing another LandRover.
Legal but it has its risks. Similar issue with the caravan. Similar sized vehicle a foot higher because of the trailer, Raising the centre of gravity.
Most arrived at the offroad sites every week without issue. But a few had incidents, Minor and not so minor.
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 25/1/2014
Exactly... As clear as a muddy glass of muddy water.
Although it would appear...
Why cant they put it in black and white.
Its bad practice to load a trailer more than the car when caravans are concerned so my signature will stay for the foreseeable future.
It may be bad practise but it is not illegal.
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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013
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