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Hi

This is our first post here, we’re looking for advice and recommendations on weight limits. We have an 07 Kia Sedona 2.9 crdi tow car which pulls a 1995 Bailey Pageant Champagne.

Normally I think we’re well within any weight limits. However, come summer the plan is to load up with 4 adults and 3 children. The family generally insist on taking along everything for an expedition to the outback and I’m worried we’ll be overloaded.

And recommendations would be greatly received.


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Bailey Pageant CD Champagne 1995



Show as imperial



Year - 1995
4 berth
Single axle
Mass in Running Order (Kg) - 938

Maximum Allowable/Authorised Weight (Kg) - 1170

Internal Length (metres) - 5.159

Shipping Length (metres) - 6.759

Width (metres) - 2.19

Awning Size (cm) - 936

Layout - EW

As long as you don't load the van over the max allowed you will be ok you may need a roof box for other items due to the limited boot space of the kia, even with a full compliment of adults in the Kia it will be just like when you go away normally, you wont even notice the difference


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Load up caravan as you indend to go on holiday & find a weighbridge near you & weigh it, you need to find an axle weighbridge really, otherwise you need to be aware that you could overload rear axle of car with too much heavy stuff in boot & caravan on hitch so possibly a good idea to load extra stuff in roof box for a more centrally placed load.

In car handbook, on V5 & on plate under bonnet will be axle weights & gross train weight which is max weight allowed for car & caravan together. Provided weighbridge weights are below these figures you are ok.


PersonSkoda Bob
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Quote: Originally posted by michell8 on 06/4/2014Load up caravan as you indend to go on holiday & find a weighbridge near you & weigh it, you need to find an axle weighbridge really, otherwise you need to be aware that you could overload rear axle of car with too much heavy stuff in boot & caravan on hitch so possibly a good idea to load extra stuff in roof box for a more centrally placed load.

In car handbook, on V5 & on plate under bonnet will be axle weights & gross train weight which is max weight allowed for car & caravan together. Provided weighbridge weights are below these figures you are ok.


Its a Kia Sedona, MPV so the axels will be well within the capabilities for towing even if the car was loaded with 7 adults and luggage



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Did you take your driving test after 1997? If so you may be over 3500kg gross train weight and need to take the extra test.

Rob


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PersonSkoda Bob
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Quote: Originally posted by Rob and Tina on 06/4/2014Did you take your driving test after 1997? If so you may be over 3500kg gross train weight and need to take the extra test.

Rob

No they wont be, its the unloaded kerb weights they go by, so in theory you could have 7 20 stone people in the car and it wont make a difference,


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As far as I know, this is still correct:

Car licences obtained on or after 1 January 1997

If you passed a car test on or after 1 January 1997 you're limited to vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes maximum authorised mass towing a trailer up to 750 kgs, or a vehicle and trailer combination up to 3.5 tonnes MAM providing the MAM of the trailer doesn't exceed the unladen mass of the towing vehicle. You'll need to pass an additional driving test in B+E if you wish to tow a caravan or trailer combination which exceeds these weight limits.


PersonMikeyBe
06/4/2014 at 5:04pm
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I've just pulled out the registration documentation for the car. It has the following on it, refering to weights/mass:

Revenue Weight: 2220.0 kg
Max Permissible mass: 2737
Mass In Service: 2220

Technical maximum towable mass of the trailer:
Braked: 2000
Unbraked: 570

No mention of gross train weight, or axle weight...

Fortunately (Or unfortunately as you see fit) I'm an old fart and passed my test in 1993.


PersonRob and Tina
06/4/2014 at 5:29pm
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The gross train weight and axle weights should be on a plate on the car. The plate should show a max vehicle weight of 2737 and a gross train weight of 4737 (2737 + 2000). Some vehicles can not tow the maximum trailer weight if the car is fully loaded so your GTW may be less than 4737. Anyway it looks like you should be ok for weight as long as you tell everyone not to take too much (and I know how much they want to take includes bikes and inflatable boats etc).

Rob

PS I'm an old fart as well and having the earlier licence makes life a lot less complicated.


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If there is no gross train weight figure indicated then gtw will be max gross weight of car 2737 plus max tow 2000 so gtw=4737kg as pointed out.


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PersonMikeyBe
06/4/2014 at 6:33pm
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Thanks guys.

It's just a matter of convincing the girls we don't need an iron, ironing board and 3 sets of hair straighteners while on holiday...

Me, well I'm content to have a change of clothers, my wash bag and the banjo to play in the evening.


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Rob Tina where are you getting this daft axle weight idea from, you cannot weigh the vehicle by weighing a single axle, its the total weight of the vehicle you go by


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Quote: Originally posted by Skoda Bob on 06/4/2014
No they wont be, its the unloaded kerb weights they go by, so in theory you could have 7 20 stone people in the car and it wont make a difference,

Wrong..obviously

......& daftest posts on here are by your goodself as usual Bob. You may only begin to understand about axle weights when you get pulled with 4 fat drunks in the back of your taxi.



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Quote: Originally posted by michell8 on 06/4/2014
Quote: Originally posted by Skoda Bob on 06/4/2014No they wont be, its the unloaded kerb weights they go by, so in theory you could have 7 20 stone people in the car and it wont make a difference,

Wrong..obviously

......& daftest posts on here are by your goodself as usual Bob. You may only begin to understand about axle weights when you get pulled with 4 fat drunks in the back of your taxi.




I do every other Saturday, I pick up 4 rugby player all well over 6 foot and built like outhouses, there are several Kia sedonas working one owner had the All blacks rugby 7 in his and they are not lightweight


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Bob, I don't want to get in to a silly argument but I only stated that all the weights could be found on the chassis plate. I suggested looking at the plate to get a clear indication of the weights allowed for the vehicle and trailer. I did not suggest that the single axle weights should be measured. Sorry if you've misread and misunderstood what I wrote.

Rob


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As well as the total weight, you legally must comply with the limits on front and rear axles.

Jim



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