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Subject Topic: Min and Max Kerbweight?? Post Reply Post New Topic
20/5/2014 at 11:23am
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I have a Kia Sportage KX-2 XRDI on a 63 plate.
The Kia Spec gives a min Kerbweight 1600kg and max Kerbweight of 1754kg.My dealer doesn't know what this means and Kia Customer Services "will get back to me"
I just want to know the actual Kerb weight of my vehicle.
I know I could take it to a weigh bridge but surely Kia should be able to tell me.The vehicle Reg doc says 1677kg
I believe the Gross Vehicle weight is the maximum weight of the vehicle fully loaded and including the caravan noseweight?


20/5/2014 at 11:47am
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I think the 1600kgs. minimum is the weight when the vehicle leaves the factory and the 1754kgs. is the maximum allowance for 4 people plus any luggage. See what Kia have to say but I think they will confirm this.


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??? The allowance for 4 people and their lugguage should be a lot more than the 154kg shown above and is the difference between the GVW marked on a plate on the vehicle and the kerbweight..

The difference between the 1600kg min and 1754kg max kerbweight is more likely to cover the difference between the manual and automatic kerbweights and may also take into account any optional extras that could have been fitted (ie side steps, etc)



20/5/2014 at 1:01pm
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Wrong.. In this case the minimum kerbweight is the basic model with no extra's.

The maximum kerbweight is the fully loaded top spec model with everythhing optional thrown at it.

The cars gross laden weight will be over 2000kg.



20/5/2014 at 1:07pm
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To find your cars kerbweight look on the V5 for MIRO.


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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013

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20/5/2014 at 1:57pm
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Grampian, Kia have just confirmed what you say. The 1600kg is for the lowest spec model ...mine ,the 1754kg is for the top if the range model with all extras fitted.
However, this raises another question.
In terms of technical spec,ie suspension ,engine ,etc ,the lowest and highest spec models are identical.But by Kia adding extra weight to the base model increases the Kerbweight ,so if I put 100kg of luggage in my car will that make the Kerbweight 1700kg for working out the car to caravan ratio?


20/5/2014 at 2:35pm
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Quote: Originally posted by jsparkes201148 on 20/5/2014
Grampian, Kia have just confirmed what you say. The 1600kg is for the lowest spec model ...mine ,the 1754kg is for the top if the range model with all extras fitted.
However, this raises another question.
In terms of technical spec,ie suspension ,engine ,etc ,the lowest and highest spec models are identical.But by Kia adding extra weight to the base model increases the Kerbweight ,so if I put 100kg of luggage in my car will that make the Kerbweight 1700kg for working out the car to caravan ratio?




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20/5/2014 at 2:50pm
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Quote: Originally posted by jsparkes201148 on 20/5/2014
Grampian, Kia have just confirmed what you say. The 1600kg is for the lowest spec model ...mine ,the 1754kg is for the top if the range model with all extras fitted.
However, this raises another question.
In terms of technical spec,ie suspension ,engine ,etc ,the lowest and highest spec models are identical.But by Kia adding extra weight to the base model increases the Kerbweight ,so if I put 100kg of luggage in my car will that make the Kerbweight 1700kg for working out the car to caravan ratio?


Work the ratio out on what you have forget about adding bits on for this that or the other, if when you work out the towing ratio it works out in the range you want it to then fine just forget it, in the end it is irrelevant. You know the car tows well, you know the car weighs more than the van, you know the car and van are within all the legal limits forget about the minutiae and enjoy your trips.



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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013

Mondeo Titanium 140 tdci


20/5/2014 at 2:53pm
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Good advice,thanks.


20/5/2014 at 4:30pm
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Adding luggage and extra weight is NOT the way to go.

If you need to do that then maybe a better towcar should be bought..

The 85% recommended figure (not a legal one) is to give you a clear margin of safety.

That figure is worked out from the caravans max laden weight and the cars kerbweight.
If your not happy with tht figure then get a better match.
Adding weight to convince yourself its suitable is only misleading yourself.



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20/5/2014 at 5:13pm
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Quite correct Grampian adding weight is not a route I would follow.
My comment really was that you have two basically identical cars, the manufacturer adds extra weight in the way of extra equipment and that increases the Kerbweight ,it hasn't change the vehicle ,just added extra weight.So if the manufacturer can add extras and increase the kerbweight, why couldn't i?Just a theoretical question ,because I have read a similar thread on here by a person who intends to increase his Kerbweight by adding weight ,ie luggage etc.


20/5/2014 at 6:48pm
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They are juggling the figures to make their match appear a lower % than the kerbweigh figures suggest.

The higher spec cars may have a higher max laden weight also though.

My sisters old Mondeo diesel hatch had a gross train weight of 3490kg. That was lower than others i have seen with figures over 3500kg.

Adding weight to the towcar is good but when working it out you should stick to the kerbweight and trailers max weight. That way you stay within the limits.

Ideally you want the car to be substantially heavier than the taller and probably longer carvan.

Imagine the sidewind forces on the caravan compared to the car. Especially the caravans wall surface area behind the axle.

The lighter the car the more affect that will have.




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