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Personjennygirlx
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Good morning everyone.
I've just sold my old van and am in the process of finding a new one. Have decided on a five berth double end dinette as I either camp with my mum, brother and daughter or my Oh and daughter. I do the towing.
My last van was 5.5m in length but obviously the new one would be longer and I'm worried about how the van will be longer and how it will be more difficult to tow. I mean, it's there anything I need to watch out for? Clearance on sharp corners that sort of thing. I really enjoyed towing my last van, even without a stabiliser she was really steady.
I currently tow with a kia sorento, but am looking to get a ceed and have post'97 licence anyway so the weight would be below 1250kg tops.
Anybody who has any advice would be most grateful.
Jen


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Which CEED is it from this list? = http://carleasingmadesimple.com/business-car-leasing/kia/ceed/gross-vehicle-weight/

What is the MTPLM of the caravan?

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PersonROG.
18/10/2014 at 9:00am
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As you currently tow with a KIA SORENTO which has a GVW of 2510 kg then I assume your old caravan did not have a MTPLM over 990 kg?

If it was a Swift Corniche then all the ones I could find had a MTPLM well over 990 kg so from my investigations it seems that you have been towing beyond the remit of your B licence which is illegal and invalidates any insurance

Please tell me I am wrong as I do not wish to worry you


Perhaps a simple explanation of the B towing law will help .....

GVW MAM MTPLM all have the same meaning = the maximum permissible legal weight something can be when fully loaded

For towing on a B licence the vehicle GVW added to the MTPLM of the caravan must not total more than 3500 kg

Licences work on the plated weights not the actual weights



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Personbirdman101
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You will find a difference after towing with the Sorento. Pulling a larger,heavier van with a smaller car may be a recipe for trouble.Why not take the test and then you can tow whatever you want with the Sorento, even a twin axle if you choose.


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Towing a big van with a smaller car takes experience.

For a start you maybe up and down the gearbox on the motorway to get up a slight incline.

Taking corners on "B"roads may have to be taken wider then. theres the chance of having to do this you may find your self over the white lines into the other lane.

Going down hill the van could "Push" you on and cause overheating on the cars brakes.

And finally.if the van is near the cars towing limit there is a chance on a sharp bend the rear of the car could be pushed out causing a jack knife effect.

Sorry if i worry you but better to know these things.



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Personjennygirlx
18/10/2014 at 5:22pm
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Crumbs I assumed it was kerb weight fur the car that was taken into account! Fortunately y my old van was of 88' vintage and 950kg fully loaded (I'm assuming I got it right when I bought the car!) .
The kia has to go unfortunately, she is rusting to death, and I travel a 20 mile round trip to work and it's drinking fuel. Haven't decided on a particular car or van at the moment, money is tight hence the reluctance initially to do the b+e as have been quoted £500+.
Does that sound reasonable? Looks like a necessity at this point... Can't say I fancy a twin axle anyway...

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PersonROG.
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You were lucky not to get caught

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PersonROG.
18/10/2014 at 7:24pm
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Which CEED was it in that link I posted?

What will be the MTPLM on the new caravan?

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Personjennygirlx
18/10/2014 at 8:46pm
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Erm, I wasn't over by your figures? Tbh, it's been six years, a child, a divorce, 8 jobs, and two house moves since I even looked into buying a caravan. I think it's understandable my figures are a little rusty!
Thanks for the advice for towing a longer unit, tbh it sounds similar to what I have now, and before when I towed with an almera. It's the extra meter over the back end that worries me but I'm sure I can discuss that with the bloke I do my (inevitable) test with.
Oh and haven't got a clue which ceed as will be next year anyway and the van will be the best I can get under my miserly budget and under 1250kg. I'm sure the c&c club will check it for me without getting all judgy on me.
I don't know, I used to love this forum and now you have people not reading your post and making you feel bad about being a bit of a novice again...


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2510 was the GVW of your vehicle
Was the 950 for the old caravan the plated MTPLM or the actual weight?

If MTPLM 950 then I apologise = you were legal

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PersonROG.
18/10/2014 at 8:57pm
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We are not here to judge but to help you keep safe and legal

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PersonGCMS2012
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You could post what your budget may be for the tow car, and then people here could advise what to match the van to?

Does it have to be a Ceed?

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Personjennygirlx
19/10/2014 at 5:50am
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Hi, my budget is £6000 ish for the car, I do drive country roads to work as well so that needs to be taken into account although they have fixed the A75 now so could use that. Need a 5 door (child) never use the 4x4 in my car hence the downgrade. But as I've said, don't want or need a massively heavy van. Have seen a 2000 ish europa I like at 5.5m (ship length) and 1200kg.


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£6k?

Now lets see what the people here will advise on....

As they know all the weight things better than me.

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Maximum Technical Permissible Laden Mass 1396Kg
Europa 500.

http://www.kia.co.uk/new-cars/range/mid-sized-cars/new-ceed/specification/technical-specification.aspx

The Skoda Octavia 1,9 tdi or 2ltr tdi would be a better car, the gearboxes on the ceed are not that strong and have been known to disintegrate inside.
Have a look on auto trader, you will find plenty of low mileage ones within your price range, you may also get luck and find a 4x4 version, and they are good for 50 plus mpg solo

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