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PersonJimmy1980
16/1/2015 at 4:09pm
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Its a Ford Focus 2 litre.

It weighs arond 1330 kerb weight and the caravan MLTPM is 1340kg but it's MIRO is only 1030kg. We never carried much in our other caravan as I'm paranoid about overloading it or ending up in a snake so I've always deliberately loaded the car to make it heavy!!


PersonGreendemon315
16/1/2015 at 5:14pm
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Of course, if you do that, it's easy to overload the rear axle of the car.

Jim


Personbessie500
16/1/2015 at 7:03pm
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Why don't you take your car to a weigh bridge, if your going off the brochure weight it may be wrong.
My cars brochure weight is 1540 kg the actual weight is 1705 kg allowing for 90% fuel and 75 kg for the driver.
Might not be all doom and gloom might be heavier than you think,

Bessie


PersonGrampian91
16/1/2015 at 10:14pm
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I followed a link to towing categories yesterday and it came up with the same info.

The trailer must be less than the cars kerbweight if you passed between 1997 and 2013. But didnt apply if you padded after 2013.

Its a mess. They need to sort it properly.


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17/1/2015 at 8:16am
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 16/1/2015
I followed a link to towing categories yesterday and it came up with the same info.

The trailer must be less than the cars kerbweight if you passed between 1997 and 2013. But didnt apply if you padded after 2013.

Its a mess. They need to sort it properly.



When the date of the test was passed is totally irrelevant as the same rules apply to all so they really do need to sort it out



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PersonJimmy1980
17/1/2015 at 9:10am
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Certainly is a mess! I feel more comfortable now dvla have confirmed I can tow this on my licence.

Although makes me realise I'll have to be careful when I change my car & caravan to make sure I can tow the combo!


Personbirdman101
17/1/2015 at 9:30am
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This is now my 43 rd year of caravanning and i have always had tow vehicles with plenty of spare .present vehicle 62% match.What i find silly with this rule for the new newcomer is that your motor you have is OK, but if you change to give yourself a better match, to say a Landrover you would then have to take the B+E test because you have become safety minded.


PersonJimmy1980
17/1/2015 at 9:58am
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What an excellent point. I'd always planned to get a nice big car and caravan further down the line but I've realised that I'm actually quite limited to make sure I don't go over the restraints of a b category licence.

Think the optimum car GVM for a new licence holder would be around the 1900kg mark with an unladen weight of around the 1400kg. To get an 80% match you're looking at a van around 1,200kg which is pretty light really! So you are pushed into getting nearer the 100% match.


Personlisterdiesel
17/1/2015 at 10:59am
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It's a mess further up the weight scales as well, C1+E states that the gross weight of the trailer must not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, but that seems to have been bypassed in other groups.

In our own case we have a 3500kg trailer which does run at full weight, so we can tow it with the Discovery we have, or the Mercedes 614D minibus we are converting to a motorhome, but only just, the Mercedes is just under 4 tonnes empty before we build the insides.

Peter



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