I have asked this question of DVLA and got a very non-committal answer:
C1+E licence with 107 Code, so 8.25 tonnes max train weight.
I am being told elsewhere that as long as the ACTUAL weights are under the limit, a 6 tonne vehicle and a 3.5 tonne trailer would be legal to drive, but I don't agree.
To my mind, the PLATED weights are what matters, not what you are carrying. If I get stopped by the Police, the first thing they will check are the vehicle and trailer plates, which add up to 9.5 tonnes.
DVLA gave me this response:
"Thank you for your email received on 18/2/15. Your email reference number is XXXXXXX.
DVLA can only advise you on which categories your licence entitles you to drive. We can also advise on what terms and restrictions these categories are to be driven under in accordance to your individual licence.
Maximum weights are prescribed in The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 and are not a driving licence concern. All enquiries concerning maximum weights should be referred to the Transport Technology and Standards. You can reach them on:
Transport; Technology & Standards,
Dept for Transport
Zone 2/01
Great Minster House
33 Horseferry Road
London
SW1P 4DR
The law on this is clear so why DVLA do not consult their own PDFS such as INS57P I do not know !!
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/208103/ins57p.pdf
The 8250kg is the max combined plated weight total
vehicle GVW + trailer MAM
7500+750
6000+2250
5000+3250
as simple examples
DVLA know that licence laws are based on GVW/MAM/MTPLM weights and not actual weights with the exceptions being the D categories which are based on number of seats
Post last edited on 21/02/2015 19:55:26
------------- EX Advanced driving observer (IAM)
EX LGV & B+E instructor
This is just 2 separate government entities not working together. DVLA is right enough, they deal only with licence law so do not concern themselves with C&U law.
Yes it is correct that provided actual weights do not exceed max allowed gross train weight of towing vehicle then it is legal to drive as far as C&U law is concerned even if plated weight of trailer is higher...provided your licence will cover it.
If added together, plated weights are higher than your licence allows then you cannot drive it.
It is for driver to be conversant with both licence law & C&U law to ensure he is legal. Information provided separately from DVLA & T,T&S needs to be used together.
I pursued DVLA over this, and had the following response this afternoon:
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The definition of category C1E with the 107 restriction code is as follows:
Category C1E – Vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg with a trailer over 750kg (combined weight not more than 8250kg), and designed and constructed for the carriage of no more than eight passengers in addition to the driver.
I can confirm that the weights given above are based on the maximum authorised mass of the vehicle and trailer.
The terms `maximum authorised mass' (MAM), `gross weight'; and `permissible maximum weight' all have the same meaning; i.e. the weight of the vehicle, plus the maximum load the vehicle may safely carry.
If a vehicle is unlikely to be used at its potential maximum weight most vehicles may be downplated; i.e. the vehicles springs or other components can be changed; so that only a lighter load can be carried. The Agency's plate on the vehicle may be changed to correspond with this.
The MAM or gross weight of the vehicle is the deciding factor in determining what driving entitlement is required.
Although the combined weight may be within the train weight of the vehicle this has no bearing on the driving entitlement required.
Quote: Originally posted by listerdiesel on 25/2/2015I pursued DVLA over this, and had the following response this afternoon:
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The definition of category C1E with the 107 restriction code is as follows:
Category C1E – Vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg with a trailer over 750kg (combined weight not more than 8250kg), and designed and constructed for the carriage of no more than eight passengers in addition to the driver.
I can confirm that the weights given above are based on the maximum authorised mass of the vehicle and trailer.
The terms `maximum authorised mass' (MAM), `gross weight'; and `permissible maximum weight' all have the same meaning; i.e. the weight of the vehicle, plus the maximum load the vehicle may safely carry.
If a vehicle is unlikely to be used at its potential maximum weight most vehicles may be downplated; i.e. the vehicles springs or other components can be changed; so that only a lighter load can be carried. The Agency's plate on the vehicle may be changed to correspond with this.
The MAM or gross weight of the vehicle is the deciding factor in determining what driving entitlement is required.
Although the combined weight may be within the train weight of the vehicle this has no bearing on the driving entitlement required.
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Peter
Not the best explanation of the 107 code
------------- EX Advanced driving observer (IAM)
EX LGV & B+E instructor