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Personmaggie51
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yes what its saying is 9% of yes is 130 kg we are going seasonal this year but maybe not next so we need to osrt it or change the van before we collect it

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heres how the report reads
vin plate 83%

herb mtplm 85%

Max tow 83%
est towbar weight 140%

but undere the caravan details lower down its saying unladen weight 1301
max laden weight 1495
user payload 194
hitch limit 100
est nose weight 105 ????

This is whats confusing most of the vans we have tried in the towsafe report are coming up at noseweights 105 or over ?? but just says beware can affect stability on the Vermont it was 118 and we towed it ok but we have calor light bottles in the front
Is it possible to reduce the payload from 140 to an acceptable limit.I a have seen sportages towing decent size vans and the coachman does not seem very heavy at 1495 in weight compared to some

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Personbilly
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If you had a noseweight of 118kg on your previous caravan & towed it with your car which only allows 75kg on towbar then that was hardly safe was it? Car rear axle was probably overloaded. If you tow your present caravan with noseweight at 130kg your car rear axle may still be overloaded, if you get pulled & weighed you will get nicked..So your choice.

You ask what the 'acceptable limit' is? For your car it is 75kg.

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Try using Towsure's caravan matching program. That doesn't suggest to me that there is a problem with the match. You just need to move "stuff" around in the caravan to get a 75kg noseweight.

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Personmaggie51
16/3/2015 at 10:02pm
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Well got it clarified off coachman themselves and the ncc who checked .The Amaras noseweight is 104 and is legal but we have to lower it to around 75 kg they said take heavy stuff from the front and the use the gauge and it should work out ok . Just wondering billy what van and car you tow with and how you find out all the weights Chinster that's what they said and the towsure report was ok the noseweight is over at 104 but they said distribute the weight to reduce it. The Ncc and coachman said ost vans have a noseweight more than 75 and its just a mater of how to distribute the payload

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Personmaggie51
16/3/2015 at 10:13pm
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PersonGrampian91
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We cannot see your report on the towcar site.

Its linked to your session on the website, If i do a report i get the same link.

You need to take a screenshot of the screen, press the printscreen button and then open a paint program and paste the picture into it and save it.

When you press the printscreen button it copies everything you see on the screen to memory. You can then paste it into paint or word etc.


PersonMotobiman
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My knowledge of aircraft loading and I believe it is the same for caravans is it it very bad practice to put significant weight a long way behind the COG due to pendulum effects than can cause serious oscillations, even at relatively low speed.

As an illustration to get the SVL from. 104 to 75, a total of more than 30kgs will have to be moved from the front locker to the very back......


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VIN Plate / MTPLM 83.1%
This calculation is based on the gross train weight (the maximum permitted combined weight of the car and the caravan). If this match is above 100% you are breaking the law!
Kerb / MTPLM 85%
The industry recommends this figure is not above 85% for beginners; however this is not a legal requirement. A match over 100% may invalidate your insurance
Max Tow / MTPLM 83.1%
Do not take Max Tow literally as it is a only a test of traction on a 1:8 hill start , and not the overall the ability of the car to tow at normal road speeds. If this figure is over 100% you could be in breach of your car's warranty and may be breaking the law!
Est. Towbar Weight 140%
Extreme caution, this combination is unsuitable, select a different car or caravan/trailer. The calculation is based on the difference between 7% of MTPLM or actual laden weight and the car's towball limit
Car details: Kia Sportage 2.0 Crdi Xs 4wd 4wd Leisure Vehicle 2008-2011
Nose Weight (kg) 75
Kerb Weight (kg) 1758
Unbraked Maximum Tow (kg) 750
Maximum Tow (kg) 1800
Max Tow at GTW (kg) 1800
Gross Weight (kg) 2210
Train Weight (kg) 4010
Caravan details: Coachman 2008 Amara 520/4
Unladen Weight (kg) 1301
Max Weight (MTPLM) (kg) 1495
User Payload(kg) 194
Hitch Limit (kg) 100
Estimated Nose Weight (kg) 105
Overall Width (mm) 2260
Internal Length (mm) 5430
Shipping Length (mm) 7190
Headroom (mm) 1911
Height(mm) 2610
Additional notes * Towing Experience - Experienced: Calculated at a match Braked Percentage of 100% of the vehicle's Kerb Weight *
Warnings Any combinaton that exceeds the defined hitch limit for the caravan would potentially require back loading to bring within the overrun brakes working limit
Disclaimer The information supplied herewith is provided and intended as a guide only. All data is gathered from sources accepted as accurate at the time and all outfit matching equations are based upon the 'Towing Code Guidelines'. All data provided within the Towsafe program refers to manufacturers standard production vehicles for sale within the UK and therefore excludes vehicles imported from any other country. Vehicles which have been modified in any way e.g. suspension or any form of spring assistance are also not covered.
Produced for: Margaret Cummings 15/03/2015 08:27:25 Date:
Outfit Match Report Caution: Experienced Towers onl

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here is the report we got its giving an estimated weight. But coachman said its 50kg before anything goes in it and with gas bottles its usually 104 noseweight .If you read down the notes it has caravan details estimated noseweight 105 so that's what coachman have said near enough .This report is contradicting itself that's what threw us I am goung to ring towsure see what is going on .You pay for the report and looks lie it is a load of tosh

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Personbilly
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Theres nothing contradictory about the report. Its clear & descriptive. So it's just that you need to understand the info it contains.

To recap. Set caravan noseweight at around 75kg by distributing load inside caravan, hitch to car & tow. If its ok then ok. If it wobbles then its not suitable for your car because noseweight cannot be increased without overloading towbar on car.

This is what you need to understand...

"Est. Towbar Weight 140%
Extreme caution, this combination is unsuitable, select a different car or caravan/trailer. The calculation is based on the difference between 7% of MTPLM or actual laden weight and the car's towball limit"

You can reduce caravan noseweight from 7% down to about 5%..probably, ie around 75kg. If you do that then you can safely hitch it to your car because you will not be overloading towbar. However car may not safely tow it because noseweight may not be sufficient for caravan, but then again it may tow just fine. If it wobbles then you would need to redistribute load in caravan to achieve around 100kg on the hitch. Then you have a problem because your car only allows 75kg on the hitch.

The only way to find out is to tow it.


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Just spoken to the guy at towsafe he said 5 . 1 is what we will be towing aton ball if carvan is fully laden awning everything wr told him awning is inthe boot and he said thst tlmakes the car heavier which is better and if weif we dont load to mamaximum we should be fine unless we are towing a lot as long ascwe are aware . What he did say most ofche vans would be over 1500 fully laden and ours is 1495and 1300 unladen I cant see us having a payload of 200kg but we will weigh the van bfore we tow. He said we should be fine

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17/3/2015 at 6:22pm
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Thanks Billy that's more or less what the guy said we put awning and heavy stuff in the boot anyway .What he did say that people have vans weighing 1550 kilos fully laden and have a towball weight of 100 are still overloaded so it looks like its like you say trial and error even with the van we now have a bailey senator if we were to fully load it nose weight would be 97 so I suppose it depends what sort of load you take with you .There are only 2 of us so we don't tend to fully load anyway .Thanks for everyones help

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Maggie

You do realise in order to reduce the nose weight, it's better to take weight out of the front of the caravan and put it in the car with the heaviest stuff behind the front seats rather than just moving it from the front of the caravan to the back don't you?


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yes we have lightweight gas cylinders and the elec cable goes in the van so not much in front at all awning ect is in boot the van has a motor mover on too I may ask them to remove it as that is going to add to the weight too think its 30 kg

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17/3/2015 at 9:01pm
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even an unladen van at 1300kilo is over our towball limit of 75kilo don't think people that make towcars realise this towball weight needs to be heavier

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