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PersonROG.
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The 107 code has never been used next to B+E


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Quote: Originally posted by ROG. on 04/5/2015The 107 code has never been used next to B+E


Your right, my mistake.

https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories

This page says cars come under the light vehicle heading and Cat B on a licence applies to car (and trailer) up to to a total of 3500kgs.

You need Cat B+E if it's heavier but It mentions no maximum here but the maximum weight of any trailer is 3500kgs so it follows it can only be 7000kgs.

Cat C+E is for larger vehicles up to 12000kgs with trailer.

Confusing.

Post last edited on 04/05/2015 08:33:55

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cat b+e before 2013 there wasnt an upper trailer limit ,only the train weight of the towing vehicle .
the govt sites are a bit confusing but believe me i have been involved with building vehicles and trailers to suit the b+e laws ages .
i also did c1+e outfits etc .
the govt sites mis lead you to go to the c1+e cat and doesnt explain the b+e properly only the newer license arrangements .

c+e is for over 7.500kg trucks etc pulling large trailers .
i have c+e
c1+e was originaly for upto 12 ton train ,but got restricted in uk by the 107 code.

later they relized b+e allowed a 7.5 ton vehicle down plated to 3.500kg kept its trainweight of 12ton and could be driven on a b+e . thats why its changed on recent license .
all makes a good read .
i have spent hours and hours studying and talking to the old dvla and vosa .
the whole system is flawed really.

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So to paraphrase.

Licence held.
Cat B car and trailer up to 3500kgs
Cat BE car and trailer up to 7000kgs
Cat C1E with 107 restriction car and trailer up to 8250kgs
Cat C1E car and trailer up to 12000kgs

Depending of course that car and trailer limits are not exceeded.

Now our poster can work our what his car can tow depending on his licence.

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OK, so if I've got this right:

My license has been held since 1995.

I have B, BE and C1E (107) on it.

My Vehicle nominally weighs 2200kg (I'd have to confirm that on a weigh bridge though). It also has a maximum gross train weight of 6235kg.

So depending on the weight of the vehicle at the time, and assuming I comply with the axle weights, I could legally (though not necessarily safely) tow up to 4035 kg?


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That's how I read it on a BE licence.

vwalan?


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yes.
how and what brakes the trail has is a deciding factor .
many yank trailers use electric brakes , not really legal in eu over 3,500kg .
all the c1,s are for the towing vehicle to have a gross weight of over 3,500kg .
c1 and c1+e normaly in uk would have the 107 restriction .
unless you took a c1/c1+e test.


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Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 04/5/2015
That's how I read it on a BE licence.

vwalan?


if your b+e was issued pre 2013 there isnt a trailer upper weight .
how you brake the trailer is a different issue .


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Quote: Originally posted by vwalan on 04/5/2015if your b+e was issued pre 2013 there isnt a trailer upper weight .
There is now because the 2013 changes are retrospective

Max 3500 MAM limit on trailers towed by B cat vehicles for ALL drivers

There are not different category laws for the same category unless a code is present - 100% fact



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Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 04/5/2015
So to paraphrase.

Licence held.
Cat B car and trailer up to 3500kgs
Cat BE car and trailer up to 7000kgs
Cat C1E with 107 restriction car and trailer up to 8250kgs
Cat C1E car and trailer up to 12000kgs


CAVEAT - all those except the 12000 refer to plated MAM weights not actual weights



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Quote: Originally posted by vwalan on 04/5/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 04/5/2015That's how I read it on a BE licence.

vwalan?


if your b+e was issued pre 2013 there isnt a trailer upper weight .
how you brake the trailer is a different issue .



But there is an effective limit, the gross train weight less the weight of the towing vehicle, surely?


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yes. thats it .
the weight of the towing vehicle can vary . depends on passengers . or heavy items on board .
you do have to do abit of homework its not straight forward .
it cant be a fixed weight .
you carry more things in the tow vehicle ,or use a heavier trailer . its variable .
trainweight rules .
also axle weights etc .
its only a game of arithmatic .

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Got all that MkkeyBs?

Now all you need is a mathematics degree and your set to go .....


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OK I think I've got it (Alas I only have an engineering degree, not maths).

My maximum trailer weight is 6235kg (GTW) minus the weight of the vehicle at the time I'm towing (Giving me something between 3200 and 4000kg max trailer weight), or 3500kg (From my licence) - which ever is the lower amount.


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Do not exceed
vehicle GVW
Trailer plated MAM/MTPLM
GTW = actual weight of both together
Max listed towing capacity

If towing a caravan then try not to let caravan exceed 85% of actual vehicle weight at time of towing

If you have ticked all those then you should be ok

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