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14/9/2016 at 4:44pm
Location: Lancashire
Outfit: Volvo X60 Coachman
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Hi sorry for the bad news but this van is 100 kgs to heavy for your car
Bessie
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14/9/2016 at 5:08pm
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As with Bessie I am afraid. I would much rather have a bit to spare than be on the limit.
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14/9/2016 at 5:17pm
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You need to keep information on this forum accurate. The caravan is only too heavy for the car if it is loaded beyond 1200kg as measured by weighing caravan axle.
However, if you believe the suggested car/caravan combination is not advisable then you need to state exactly why that is.
Possible reasons could be realistically insufficient margin for a normal load of gear or lack of towing experience for example?
It is fair to say that if you attempt to load a car/caravan combination it's maximum by distributing load between car & caravan to approaching max train weight you have a good chance of going over it. The extra case of beer & barbecue briquettes could do it.
So yes bessie, your answer was broadly correct but the facts as you presented them were inaccurate.
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14/9/2016 at 8:55pm
Location: West country
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As well as the max tow weight you will also have a max train weight. This is the maximum weight your car and caravan can be when actually loaded.
Many cars say you can only tow the maximum tow weight if you remain within the gross train weight. Loading the car well up can therefore reduce the max tow weight from the 1200kg. Moving stuff from caravan to car will not change the gross train weight.
You also need to check the kerb weight of the car and ideally the loaded caravan should be 85% or less of this for stability.
To make things worse, many people find their caravans weigh quite a bit more than the quoted unladen weight. This can be due to the manufacturer getting it wrong or owners adding extra kit.
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15/9/2016 at 12:12am
Location: Midlands
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My car is in the above category, I can load it upto 2200kg or i can tow 1800kg. But i cannot do both. The gross train weight is approx 200kg less than the combined weights.
So i need a lighter trailer/van etc or load the car less.
The issue with the van is the 1070kg may not be accurate. It maybe closer to the 1300kg than you think.
They only weight a couple and take an average reading.
One of the caravan mags had a complaint letter when the owner weighed his van and found it to be only 65kg short of the max laden weight even though the van was empty.
Luckily he could get the caravan plated at a higher weight.
There is a list of essential items and their weights and a battery, spare wheel and a hookup lead will eat into a lot of your 130kg allowance. Thats IF you really do have 130kg to play with which is doubtful.
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15/9/2016 at 11:41am
Location: Lancashire
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My understanding is the police go off max tow weight and max caravan weight as they dont carry around a weigh bridge............i could be wrong though.
As for loading things light youd be suprised at just how easy the weigh mount up. see attached sheet
van car
25 meter cable / weighed 4.5
Ramp and blocks 2
110 amp battery weighed 27
BP Gaslight 10
spare wheel etc weighed 19
aqua role weighed 4
wastemaster / fluid weighed 6
Awning and poles 30
oval table weighed 5
chairs x 4 3.5 14
cadac 15
Tv 3.19
quilt and 4 pillows / sleeping bag weighed 9
pegs, mallet, drill etc say est 5
towels, bathrobe toiletries weighed 5
cutlery, plates kettle knifes and forks 6
shoes
air bed inner tent 3.5
groundsheet weighed 8
toiletries 2.5
windbreak weighed 3.5
games / lights 5
Clothes
Surf boards 10
Food 10
Booze
jack 10
Total 138 67
Sorry its a bit all over the place its from a spreadsheet on my laptop, but for some reason the grid lines dont go over
Mark
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15/9/2016 at 12:03pm
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If there are any police to stop vehicles these days they can only go with combined MAM of car/caravan to check for valid driving licence. If they believe a combination is overweight then they need to send it to nearest weighbridge.
If only a full weighbridge is available they can only check complete combination to ensure gross train mass is not exceeded. If axle weighing facilities are available then provided caravan axle weight does not exceed max tow limit for car then ok.
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15/9/2016 at 1:26pm
Location: Llanidloes Powys
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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 15/9/2016
If there are any police to stop vehicles these days they can only go with combined MAM of car/caravan to check for valid driving licence. If they believe a combination is overweight then they need to send it to nearest weighbridge.
If only a full weighbridge is available they can only check complete combination to ensure gross train mass is not exceeded. If axle weighing facilities are available then provided caravan axle weight does not exceed max tow limit for car then ok.
Not totally correct, they along with DVSA carry small independent wheel scales. Can often be seen in use around the Marts, when they do spot checks.
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15/9/2016 at 1:47pm
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Regardless of all the above legal stuff I would have thought that driving that sort of combination would have been very hard work! Surely you would be up and down the gears at the slightest in line.
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16/9/2016 at 1:30am
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Considering things like battery spare wheel and gas bottle are now included in the miro by most manufactures , bessies list is obserleat
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