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Subject Topic: Honda CRV 1.6 Diesel Post Reply Post New Topic
PersonUlti-Mates
21/9/2016 at 4:08pm
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Hi,
I will shortly have to decide if I keep my 2.2 Diesel CRV which is coming up to the end if it's lease plan, or change the vehicle.

One option that I thought I had, that of simply buying another has been dashed, because whilst I wasn't paying attention, Honda discontinued the 2.2 litre CRV.

My van has an MTPLM of 1500kg, so the current car is ideally suited.
I am an old fashioned sort and even though on paper the 1.6 diesel 4x4 seems to offer the necessary weights and torque, it just doesn't seem right that a 1.6 litre engine can deliver that sort of output without being thrashed within an inch of its life.

I was wondering if anyone here has any real world experience of the new CRV and how it performs in the medium term?

It uses the Earth Dream engine......apparently.

Thanks
Mr UM


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21/9/2016 at 4:35pm
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Hi Mr UM
There are 2 versions of the 1.6 diesel, the higher powered one has the same torque as the old 2.2, and 10bhp more power. It's twin turbo.

Only way to truly compare would be a test drive to see if the stats are backed up with real world drivability.

My dad had the lower powered 1.6 and the dealers let him test drive their 9 speed auto high powered 1.6. He said it was on another level to his 1.6 and put a grin on his face. He had the 2.2 before his 1.6 and think he rated the high power 1.6 best.

I've only driven the lower power 1.6 and it put my 2.0 petrol to shame in a big way. I had the 2.2 ictdi in an FRV for a few years and the low power 1.6 had just as much grunt as that


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22/9/2016 at 8:19am
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You need to unlearn a few things. The future is small turbocharged engines with power, torque & fuel efficiency far superior than anything previous generations of engines had to offer. Computers & improved metallurgy has made all this possible.


PersonUlti-Mates
22/9/2016 at 8:34am
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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 22/9/2016
You need to unlearn a few things. The future is small turbocharged engines with power, torque & fuel efficiency far superior than anything previous generations of engines had to offer. Computers & improved metallurgy has made all this possible.


Yes, as I said, I am an old fashioned sort, who likes big flywheels and engines whose parts can still be recognised!

I will approach this with an open mind however....... I have a while to receive real world feedback and hopefully some more reviews.

Thanks
Mr UM


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22/9/2016 at 10:31am
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I went for a second hand 2.2 for similar reasoning, I liked the fact that it had low down grunt when towing plus I think that as it's a simpler set-up there is less to go wrong, plus I saved a few bob. The new 1.6s may have better emission figures but tried and tested reliability gives me peace of mind, each to their own.

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PersonUlti-Mates
22/9/2016 at 11:44am
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I'm leaning in that direction PO.
Looking at the Honda website they have redesigned the engine to make it smaller:
Cylinder bores closer together
Smaller lighter block
More efficient cooling, smaller water pump
Lighter Pistons
Lighter conrods and thinner crankshafts.

All in all a superbly engineered solution, but perhaps not what I would want for a family workhorse/towcar.

Then again, I am a Luddite!

Mr UM


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22/9/2016 at 12:49pm
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Yes, the 1.6 and 2.2 IDTEC before that both have the dreaded DPF too. The 2.2 iCTDi is free from one and perhaps for that reason might be a better choice, although that may mean buying a slightly older CRV.

I think you are right Mr UM to question the complexity and reliability of these modern diesels.

If you read the "good/bad" section in Honest Johns review of the CRV, most of the complaints are to do with the diesel.

I have a 2.0 petrol CRV, for reasons of long term reliability this is their best engine. No turbo / more simple. I only do 7000 miles a year and this is mostly town work, so the fuel costs are not an issue, and hopefully the bills won't roll in after 4 or 5 years as they may with these diesels! Of course, as came up in a recent post, it doesn't make a good tow car, but for our camping trailer it copes....


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I have just tipped 2k on this trip through France, still in Brittany, I have a 2.0 TDI 180bhp Ford Kuga Powershift auto and in 41 years of driving and towing for work and pleasure I can honestly say it is the best towing experience I have ever had. Towing about 1350kg.

Diesel auto for me any day. 👍😀

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Hi mr ultimate long time no speak, I had the same problem as the ceviche was on my car list, I discounted the curb after reason poor reviews & it has a new model coming out next year or later this year.
I discounted a lot of cars bmw Audi Honda mercs and got another Mondeo. Can't beat a big heavy car for a big heavy van

Bessie


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24/9/2016 at 8:51am
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My god predictive text has gone mad on my post above, why not have a look at the Ford Edge


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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 24/9/2016
My god predictive text has gone mad on my post above, why not have a look at the Ford Edge


That is my next car 👍


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why not have a look at a CX 5? I have the sport nav auto with 175 hp engine and AWD, the SE L has 150 hp and 2wd, rxcellent towcar, the auto has same towing limit as manual (2000Kgs). Both have a 2.2 ltr diesel. MPG is excellent. I get around 28 mpg towing a Coachman with a MLPTM of 1475kgs.Auto is a 6speed that can be operated as a manual
I previously had a 2010 CR V EX 2.2iDTEC auto(5 speed) and the Mazda is a better towcar in my opinion. I road tested the CRV with the 9speed auto and 160HP, at 70mph it would not go into 9th gear as I assume speed was too low. It seemed to roll too much when cornering, Mazda has a firmer suspension.


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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 24/9/2016
Hi mr ultimate long time no speak, I had the same problem as the ceviche was on my car list, I discounted the curb after reason poor reviews & it has a new model coming out next year or later this year.
I discounted a lot of cars bmw Audi Honda mercs and got another Mondeo. Can't beat a big heavy car for a big heavy van

Bessie


Hi Bessie,
Yes, it has been some time...... I'm pretty sure I will keep the 2.2. It still has two and a bit years Honda warranty and free servicing on it, and one careful owner. I had thought of an Amrock but I realised that the Severn bridge toll would be £13 a day..... so I discounted that option.
Good that we concur
Mr UM


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Small engines are the way its going. The new LR Discovery has a 2.0 litre 238 bhp twin turbo with lots of torque. They also do a V6 diesel. The car is nearly half a tonne lighter than the old one.
Costs £43-65K plus extras. Bit out of my price range. Nice though!

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