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06/3/2017 at 8:03pm
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Hi All

After years of camping we are finally taking the plunge and buying a caravan. The caravan we are looking to buy has a MTPLM of 1400kg and our car has a towing capacity of 1500kg.

Obviously, I think technically we should be able to tow the caravan but would we have enough oomph so to speak or would struggle given that the two are quite close to each other.

Any guidance appreciated. Thanks


06/3/2017 at 8:17pm
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ok, the oomph you talk about is down to the power of your engine NOT the rated towing capacity of the vehicle.

Good ladies Skoda Yeti will tow 1500 no mater the engine, we have the 2L diesel with 140BHP which as you may guess has soooooooooo much more go than the 1.2TSI petrol or the 1.6 Greenline Diesel. so would tow our caravan no problem. Would the 1.2? Yes just be so much more sluggish.

The 0-60 time will give you a small idea if you add about 50% again to your cars time BUT.... you can damage a van if you pull it too hard all the time, so its all about being gentle.

I grew up pulling cattle trailers and I treat the caravan like its full of animals you want to enjoy the ride not arrive stressed and angry.

SO whats the car, what engine is in it, what is its power and 0-60 time.

I drive a Ford Ranger which is very slow for a "car" but add a 1.5t fully loaded caravan and with its high torque, long wheelbase its likely one of the best tow cars out there as the caravan is not really bothering it. I normally tow over 3T on plant trailers and I do notice the drag of the larger fronted van compared to the much heavier but smaller plant trailers.

Treat the run there and back like a very sedate cruise to look after all the valuable kit behind you and your more likely to arrive safely and find all in the van as you left it. Rush and you may not make it at all or at least find the inside like its been ransacked.

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To answer your question regarding the match between car and caravan would be a 93% match which the recommended advice for a newbie to towing would be not to exceed 85%.


06/3/2017 at 9:25pm
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What is the engine torque? for oomph. Kerbweight? for towing ratio.
Torque for my 2.0TDi is 320nm at 1,750 - 2,500rpm that's where the power is.
My kerbweight is 1,495kg, caravan mtplm 1,318kg = tow ratio 88%. It has a towing limit of 1,600kg
What is GVW of car? plus caravan mtplm, if over 3,500kg have you a B+E licence?


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How much 'oomph' do you need? Provided it will tow caravan at 55mph truck speed along the motorway then that's all you need. If it's slow uphill those behind can wait.


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Not forgetting the car would need the ability to do a hill start. You have to plan for worst case scenario.
You cannot plan that you will never get stopped on a hill and need to do a hillstart with a caravan in tow.

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At the end of the day I could probably pull my caravan with my mountain bike on a flat surface but I couldn't manage a small incline let alone a steep hill


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08/3/2017 at 7:39am
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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 06/3/2017
To answer your question regarding the match between car and caravan would be a 93% match which the recommended advice for a newbie to towing would be not to exceed 85%.



However the recommendation of 85% is based on the van's MPLM to the tow car's kerb weight.
It is not as you are using the ratio between MPLM and the car's permitted towing weight.
Here we have as yet no idea of the OP's vehicles kerb weight.
These makers towing limits set the legal scene, but that does not take into account the wisdom of towing a high sided trailer like a caravan.
The 85% recommendation is only a figure aimed at the towing stability of the combination and is very much only a guide as many other factors come into stability.
If we knew the tow vehicle we could comment on its suitability in this regard.

As regards "oomph" the recommendation to be able to travel without really annoying all other road users, is a car power of 40 BHP per tonne of the total unit weight.

How that power is delivered so how much rowing through the gears and what revs are encountered depends on the engine's torque curve. As a generisation diesels presently give a "better" tow, with the size car engines found in the UK.






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Also depends on the cars other towing figues.

My car is approx just under 1600kg with just a driver, but according to the figures it can tow 1800kg.

But what i cannot do is load the car to the max and tow 1800kg, The cars gross train weight is less than the combined figure of max tow weight and max kerbweight.

Some cars have the right figures on paper but tow terribly. The noseweight figure is also important.
My van tows a lot better the closer you get to the cars max weight of 75kg.




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Quote: Originally posted by JTQU on 08/3/2017
Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 06/3/2017
To answer your question regarding the match between car and caravan would be a 93% match which the recommended advice for a newbie to towing would be not to exceed 85%.



However the recommendation of 85% is based on the van's MPLM to the tow car's kerb weight.
It is not as you are using the ratio between MPLM and the car's permitted towing weight.
Here we have as yet no idea of the OP's vehicles kerb weight.
These makers towing limits set the legal scene, but that does not take into account the wisdom of towing a high sided trailer like a caravan.
The 85% recommendation is only a figure aimed at the towing stability of the combination and is very much only a guide as many other factors come into stability.
If we knew the tow vehicle we could comment on its suitability in this regard.

As regards "oomph" the recommendation to be able to travel without really annoying all other road users, is a car power of 40 BHP per tonne of the total unit weight.

How that power is delivered so how much rowing through the gears and what revs are encountered depends on the engine's torque curve. As a generisation diesels presently give a "better" tow, with the size car engines found in the UK.






Post last edited on 08/03/2017 09:27:32




I admit that I didn't read the OP's question thoroughly and agree that it should be the vehicle's kerbweight and not the towing capacity that should be calculated to find the safe match. The towing capacity is irrelevant so the calculation I made in my previous post should be ignored as your information above is absolutely right.
I make a full apology for not picking up that mistake on the OP's post and what you say is absolutely right.



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