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14/7/2017 at 12:16pm
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My son is 24 and wants to buy a cheap caravan to take the dogs away.

He has enquired about taking a test, but is being told he doesn't need to if he keeps the weight under.

He drives an old Land Rover Defender 90. Can anyone offer any advice please? If he can tow with this, what weight should he be looking at. Laden or unladen? Thanks


14/7/2017 at 12:30pm
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This Camping and Caravanning Club article (and its links) should help to clarify.



14/7/2017 at 1:00pm
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Unlikely, he probably needs to take the B&E test. With his current licence he can :

1. Drive a vehicle with a MAM up to 3,500kg
2. Tow a trailer weighing more than 750kg if the combined MAM of the trailer and car is less than 3,500kg
3. Or tow a trailer up to 750 kg

Maximum authorised mass (MAM) means the weight of a vehicle or trailer including the maximum load that can be carried safely when it’s being used on the road.
This is also known as gross vehicle weight (GVW) or permissible maximum weight. It will be listed in the owner’s manual and is normally shown on a plate or sticker fitted to the vehicle.

Given his Defender is likely to have a GVW between 2400-2500kg, that leaves approx. 1000kg to stay legal on his B Licence.

Most caravans are above 750kg and generally you should keep the weight of the caravan within 85% of the kerbweight of the vehicle.

Taking into account 85% of whatever the Defender's kerbweight is (which is also on a plate on the vehicle), that doesn't leave much scope for towing a caravan on his current licence with that vehicle. A trailer yes, but a caravan is unlikely.


14/7/2017 at 1:04pm
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Thankyou. This is really helpful


14/7/2017 at 1:21pm
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Short answer is yes, he has enough leeway for a fairly big van as well. The 85% thing is a guide not a rule, so if he tows confidently as is just now he should have no problem towing a van.

LR 90 is roughly 2000kg gives him 1500kg van.

Tell him to get the landyzone website all good answers on there. From Landy drivers.

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Peter and CofSD (Anne)


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14/7/2017 at 1:30pm
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Quote: Originally posted by peter1474 on 14/7/2017
Short answer is yes, he has enough leeway for a fairly big van as well. The 85% thing is a guide not a rule, so if he tows confidently as is just now he should have no problem towing a van.

LR 90 is roughly 2000kg gives him 1500kg van.

Tell him to get the landyzone website all good answers on there. From Landy drivers.



Not good to be so blase about this. The GVW of the Defender 90 isn't "roughly 2000kg". They are usually 2400 to 2500kg, commercial ones sometimes over 3000kg. On a B licence that leaves little scope for a beginner to safely tow anything above 1000kg. there are vans around at less than that, particularly older vans. so worth checking the GVW and going from there. Keep the van light. Better to pass the B&E though.


Post last edited on 14/07/2017 13:36:40


14/7/2017 at 3:59pm
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Thankyou everyone. It's been really useful. He's actually decided to do his test, so booked for 1st & 2nd August. :)


14/7/2017 at 8:21pm
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Quote: Originally posted by grizzlyking on 14/7/2017
Quote: Originally posted by peter1474 on 14/7/2017
Short answer is yes, he has enough leeway for a fairly big van as well. The 85% thing is a guide not a rule, so if he tows confidently as is just now he should have no problem towing a van.

LR 90 is roughly 2000kg gives him 1500kg van.

Tell him to get the landyzone website all good answers on there. From Landy drivers.



Not good to be so blase about this. The GVW of the Defender 90 isn't "roughly 2000kg". They are usually 2400 to 2500kg, commercial ones sometimes over 3000kg. On a B licence that leaves little scope for a beginner to safely tow anything above 1000kg. there are vans around at less than that, particularly older vans. so worth checking the GVW and going from there. Keep the van light. Better to pass the B&E though.


Post last edited on 14/07/2017 13:36:40




Strangely it's more about legality than safety with the current 3500kg give rule!



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