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Subject Topic: SKODA Octavia VRS - towcar? Post Reply Post New Topic
12/3/2018 at 9:33am
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Hi

We currently have a Bailey ranger 550/6 2005 and we are looking to buy a new tow car.
Mass in Running Order (Kg) - 1078
Maximum Technical Permissible Laden Mass (Kg) - 1326

We've fallen in love with a 2015 age Skoda Octavia 2.0 184brake VRS, it ticks all the boxes but when I look at the kurb weight I am a little concerned. The weight on internet is listed as 1430kg (unladen).

My questions is:

If we fully load the caravan and left the car empty we break the 85% rule massively. However surely the weight of the car will increase with passengers and luggage? I weigh 65kg and my husband 80kg. which should mean the 85% rule is then followed? Can anyone confirm that I have understood this right?

thanks.

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12/3/2018 at 9:56am
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The 85% towing GUIDELINE is based on the cars kerbweight and caravan mtplm.
My Octavia Estate 2.0TDi 4x4 has a mass in service (V5C) of 1,495kg which includes 95% tank of fuel and driver 75kg. My handbook only states 'unloaded weight ready for work of 1,495kg, same as the V5C. My caravan mtplm is 1,318kg works out at 88% ratio, if I go by the C&MC matching service it is 92%! With the VRS the suspension is slightly lower than standard, mine is slightly higher than standard. I get a very good stable tow with 75kg noseweight and no problems.

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12/3/2018 at 11:07am
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Quote: Originally posted by Octavia4x4 on 12/3/2018
The 85% towing GUIDELINE is based on the cars kerbweight and caravan mtplm.
My Octavia Estate 2.0TDi 4x4 has a mass in service (V5C) of 1,495kg which includes 95% tank of fuel and driver 75kg. My handbook only states 'unloaded weight ready for work of 1,495kg, same as the V5C. My caravan mtplm is 1,318kg works out at 88% ratio, if I go by the C&MC matching service it is 92%! With the VRS the suspension is slightly lower than standard, mine is slightly higher than standard. I get a very good stable tow with 75kg noseweight and no problems.



I was under the assumption, the car weight was unloaded , minus fuel and driver, contact skoda uk for clarification, where they will more than likely tell you not to worry.or for piece of mind go to a weigh bridge and check with you in it with a tank of fuel, given that the weight varies from model to model depending on the engine , you could be well within the capabilities for the car, especially if the diesel version



12/3/2018 at 11:29am
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It's very clear in my car handbook which states: the kerbweight includes 90% tank of fuel and 75kg for driver. In the technical specification there is no mention of kerbweight only unloaded weight ready for work 1,495kg same as the V5C mass in service, yep Skoda make it very clear! Still good cars for towing.

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12/3/2018 at 11:57am
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Hi
This is why Ovtavia.

Kerb Weight
The usual definition of kerb weight is taken as a vehicle, in its ready to use condition, with all standard tools, spare
wheel, oil and a full tank of fuel. Many manufacturers, however, are now adopting EC Directive 95/48/EC which
defines kerb weight as; ‘a car, in ready to drive condition, with the fuel tank 90% full, a driver on board, weighing
68kg and luggage of 7kg’ (Slightly random allocation of weights, admittedly, but that is the current definition, for EC
purposes).




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12/3/2018 at 3:56pm
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thanks everyone, I will not count the vehicle out I will just do a little more research on the actual model I find and go from there. as you rightly said the 85% rule is for 'guidance only'.



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12/3/2018 at 7:13pm
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Towed with 3 Octavia vRS models, all 170 TDi models. All towed well with between 1175 and 1310 KG on tow.

Would imagine the 184 bhp model will better still.

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2020 Volvo XC60 B5 R Design Geartronic / 2018 Swift Elegance 580

Best Wishes

Iain


13/3/2018 at 9:12am
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I towed a fully loaded Army land rover that had a trailer attached, with my 1.9 Octavia estate, it was blocking the A7, the guys where trying to push it a mile to the nearest lay-by, used the towing dolly and a web strap and towed them 18 miles into my town,.didnt even know they where there


13/3/2018 at 4:56pm
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Bob
A land rover discovery pulled a 110 ton train.





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Now now Ray, we'll have none of that "mines bigger than yours" malarkey.

      

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14/3/2018 at 5:06pm
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Not at my age anyway blue



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Quote: Originally posted by Ray Clayton on 14/3/2018
Not at my age anyway blue





Plus it’s cold! 😳

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15/3/2018 at 1:43pm
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Hi Guys

So i've been informed the following from Skoda headquarters:

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OCTAVIA Estate:

Kerb weight* kg - 1,407

the kerb weight is the mass of the vehicle with body work in running order. The Payload includes driver (at 75kg) & equipment.

I believe the driver isn't included in the kerb weight.
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So if this is correct and we never tow without both me and my husband being in the car, can I add the weight of both of us top the kerb weight when working out if my outfit stays within the 85% rule?

I've been towing for a couple of years now so I'm not a complete novice but I certainly don't have years and years of experience. what are your thoughts considering the Maximum Technical Permissible Laden Mass is(Kg) - 1326 but my kerb weight without driver is only 1407kg?

We really like what this car can offer and it gets great reviews but am I pushing it with un necessary risk with these figures?

thanks

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