There are significant stretches of road works from m62 down to m6 toll. I drive the journey every week and it’s a bit of a ball when not towing. I guess when towing 50 instead of 60 doesn’t make much difference. Until there is an accident, then it all comes to a standstill.
Its a national disgrace. 4 years to make it smart, the cones are still there, 5 sets of roadworks between Birmingham and Manchester.
Hundreds of thousands of people delayed every day for hours and never more than a dozen people working on it.
nobody ever brought to account for this farce.
Specifically avoid J21 to J6 between 6am and 10Am and 3.30 to 7pm in both directions. Or allow at least an extra 1.5 hours.
If a single vehicle should break down in the middle of the farce area then just pitch up for the night in lane 1.
As above . :-)
But it’s not that bad, just a bit slower in rush hour.
It’s not as bad as the M5 with the 30mph zone. What the hell are they doing that requires a speed that low ? If a risk assessment throws up a danger of that magnitude then you need to question the contractors working practices.
Quote: Originally posted by takisawa on 10/7/2018
As above . :-)
But it’s not that bad, just a bit slower in rush hour.
It’s not as bad as the M5 with the 30mph zone. What the hell are they doing that requires a speed that low ? If a risk assessment throws up a danger of that magnitude then you need to question the contractors working practices.
After watching a program showing what they have to deal with when doing roadworks and the near misses even at 50mph if I was working there I would want the traffic restricted to 30mph or the road closed altogether... not something I would like to do day in day out.
In Japan they close the road and plan it properly and mob handed complete the job. Have a look on line at some of the amazing things you can do with a proper team.
It is against the law to inconvenience the working public.
There is a bridge on the M6 that is being re-enforced. There have been two blokes with chip hammers on it for months. You really could not make it up. Thousands of people delayed every day, best we can offer is two blokes with chip hammers to reface a major bridge.
Way too many public school backhanders now determine who gets the contract. Civil engineering in this country is now behind India and miles behind China.
We went from the M56 to the M1 yesterday. Loads of stretches, one about 20 miles, with one lane closed off and the other lanes really narrow. If we saw half a dozen people working it was a lot. A 3 1/2 hour journey took 5 hours going down during the day and 4 1/2 coming back. There should be some restriction on the length of road they can work on at a time, fix that bit and move on to the next bit. And maybe actually do something rather than just cone it off for miles.
Drove up the M6 on Saturday past.......miles of roadworks North of Birmingham but surprisingly few "Hold - ups" as such. Unusually the traffic was actually doing 50 in the 50 speed limit zones, and as we were towing - it didn't really make a lot of difference for us.
Quote: Originally posted by Whatamess on 11/7/2018
We went from the M56 to the M1 yesterday. Loads of stretches, one about 20 miles, with one lane closed off and the other lanes really narrow. If we saw half a dozen people working it was a lot. A 3 1/2 hour journey took 5 hours going down during the day and 4 1/2 coming back. There should be some restriction on the length of road they can work on at a time, fix that bit and move on to the next bit. And maybe actually do something rather than just cone it off for miles.
Nora
When they undertake works to change the hard shoulder to a live running lane most of the work isn't actually on the live motorway lanes.
UK motorways are elevated above the surrounding land to prevent flooding.
When they are widened the hard shoulder has to be strengthened to enable it to take constantly running traffic. To do this requires large scale civil engineering works on embankments, bridges and elevated sections. This is all work you can't actually see being done.
Having suffered works like this for the last 10 years in our area once complete the extra lane makes a huge difference.
Quote: Originally posted by Whatamess on 11/7/2018
We went from the M56 to the M1 yesterday. Loads of stretches, one about 20 miles, with one lane closed off and the other lanes really narrow. If we saw half a dozen people working it was a lot. A 3 1/2 hour journey took 5 hours going down during the day and 4 1/2 coming back. There should be some restriction on the length of road they can work on at a time, fix that bit and move on to the next bit. And maybe actually do something rather than just cone it off for miles.
Nora
When they undertake works to change the hard shoulder to a live running lane most of the work isn't actually on the live motorway lanes.
UK motorways are elevated above the surrounding land to prevent flooding.
When they are widened the hard shoulder has to be strengthened to enable it to take constantly running traffic. To do this requires large scale civil engineering works on embankments, bridges and elevated sections. This is all work you can't actually see being done.
Having suffered works like this for the last 10 years in our area once complete the extra lane makes a huge difference.
They`ve all but finished the M60 `smart` motorway, but being idiots haven`t addressed the problem that causes the anti-clockwise delays! For the last X years there has been no hard shoulder where the M61 joins the M60 as it has been used as part of the main carriageway. Now they have finished, they have re-instated the hard shoulder, so you still have five lanes of motorway traffic merging into three with delays starting at 6.00am and running most of the day. Had they left the hard shoulder as a working lane (as they have done everywhere else) they would have increased capacity by 33%. Absolute stupidity.
Quote: Originally posted by Phishing on 02/7/2018
Its a national disgrace. 4 years to make it smart, the cones are still there, 5 sets of roadworks between Birmingham and Manchester.
Hundreds of thousands of people delayed every day for hours and never more than a dozen people working on it.
nobody ever brought to account for this farce.
Specifically avoid J21 to J6 between 6am and 10Am and 3.30 to 7pm in both directions. Or allow at least an extra 1.5 hours.
If a single vehicle should break down in the middle of the farce area then just pitch up for the night in lane 1.
So what do you suggest they do?
The work has to be done and the only viable way is to do as they are doing. They could of course do it much quicker by closing the whole motorway and taking possession of it completely for a month or so. Would you prefer that?
Quote: Originally posted by Phishing on 10/7/2018
In Japan they close the road and plan it properly and mob handed complete the job. Have a look on line at some of the amazing things you can do with a proper team.
It is against the law to inconvenience the working public.
There is a bridge on the M6 that is being re-enforced. There have been two blokes with chip hammers on it for months. You really could not make it up. Thousands of people delayed every day, best we can offer is two blokes with chip hammers to reface a major bridge.
Way too many public school backhanders now determine who gets the contract. Civil engineering in this country is now behind India and miles behind China.
Well actually they are reinforcing a bridge.
And I presume you are a structural and mechanical engineer, specialising is bridge construction and repair?
No, the correct way to do it would be to resource it properly.
Am I a structural engineer no, I studied a technical subject.
Yes, they are reinforcing every bridge between 21 and 16. They have been for 4 years!
If you think that 4 years is acceptable then this apathy explains why the infrastructure of this country is going down the toilet. It is not acceptable. Why are there not 20, 30, 40 people on each bridge to finish it in months not years?
It will take nearly 10 years to finish this between 21 and 13. Yes that's 10 years!
The cost to trade and freight operators is vast.
Next week we will have the government moaning that they don't understand why we are not as productive as our European cousins, being listened to by 50000 working people stuck in this mess for hours every day.