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22/1/2019 at 3:51pm
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Good afternoon,

We are looking to get back into caravanning after a brief respite due to ill health. We are considering buying a lighweight 2 berth van, something like a Lunar Stella with an MTPLM of around 1200. We will have to change our car and would ideally like to try a hybrid as in the coming years traditional diesel tow cars are going to become expensive to run. Does anybody have any experience of towing with a hybrid car please? Any advice would be very welcome.

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22/1/2019 at 6:08pm
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Quote: Originally posted by luvmydogspitch on 22/1/2019
.... in the coming years traditional diesel tow cars are going to become expensive to run.



Are they? Diesel is still more economical to run for most private users than a hybrid.


22/1/2019 at 7:48pm
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I've not towed with a hybrid but am an engineer.
Electric motors should be very capable at towing as they can produce a lot of torque. However, they can also overheat if made to work harder than designed such as towing a heavy load.

You therefore need to make sure that the car is rated to tow so it will need a manufacturers braked trailer tow weight.

It will also need a type tested tow bar and these may be in short supply for a car produced in limited numbers.

Weight wise they should be quite heavy so should make a stable tug.


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There are a couple of Hybrids that have a decent tow limit as well as towbars being readily available for them.

The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and the Lexus RX450h (to 2016)
Not sure about the Miti but the Lexus solves the heat problem by having two cooling systems, one for the ICE and the other for the electric motor system.


23/1/2019 at 9:46am
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Our next tow car should be a hybrid, I believe - most journeys are local, interspersed with long trips with a wheeled box on the back. This article got me thinking, especially seeing that the VW Golf GTE is type approved for up to 1600kg, and we’re likely to remain as lightweight caravanners. The trouble is the list price new is £35000, somewhat to the north of a reasonable price.

Worth watching the technology develop though - maybe the economics will have changed by the time we’re ready to do the deal. I’m waiting for Škoda to roll out a HEV, though I doubt it will be much cheaper than VW.


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23/1/2019 at 10:14am
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Thank you so much for all your replies.
I read the same article morepints which also got me thinking. There's no doubt that the powers that be are going to be hiking up the cost of diesel powered vehicles in the coming years and also, as you say, most of our journeys are local apart from when we take the wheeled box with us. We've looked at the Mitsubishi PHEV and also the Golf but they are very expensive to buy as most of the technology is fairly new I suppose. Even used Mitis are a bit out of our price range. We used to have a diesel Shogun which was an excellent tow car of course when we had a twin axle caravan but it was incredibly costly to run and tax. It will be interesting to see how the technology develops but as older caravanners I suspect we will probably have to settle for a petrol car, something like a Mondeo estate (we have two dogs to accommodate as well) to tug a lightweight van. Thanks for your expertise navver, I have been researching and it does seem like some of them would make a capable tow car. Perhaps the price will come down as they get more common and there may be some deals and offers such as scrappage schemes to help with the cost.
Thanks again ☺

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Quote: Originally posted by luvmydogspitch on 23/1/2019
Thank you so much for all your replies.
I read the same article morepints which also got me thinking. There's no doubt that the powers that be are going to be hiking up the cost of diesel powered vehicles in the coming years and also, as you say, most of our journeys are local apart from when we take the wheeled box with us. We've looked at the Mitsubishi PHEV and also the Golf but they are very expensive to buy as most of the technology is fairly new I suppose. Even used Mitis are a bit out of our price range. We used to have a diesel Shogun which was an excellent tow car of course when we had a twin axle caravan but it was incredibly costly to run and tax. It will be interesting to see how the technology develops but as older caravanners I suspect we will probably have to settle for a petrol car, something like a Mondeo estate (we have two dogs to accommodate as well) to tug a lightweight van. Thanks for your expertise navver, I have been researching and it does seem like some of them would make a capable tow car. Perhaps the price will come down as they get more common and there may be some deals and offers such as scrappage schemes to help with the cost.
Thanks again ☺



dont even consider a Mitsubishi PHEV as there useless for towing although rated at 1500kg they are hopeless on hills and very thirsty on petrol .                      I've spoken to two owners who tow fairly lightweight caravans and both told me not to bother as there not up to the job unless you like 15mpg when towing 1400kg


24/1/2019 at 2:14pm
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Thank you for your post neil and lena. We'll avoid the Mitsubishi PHEV.

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25/1/2019 at 2:23pm
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My first introduction to hybrid motoring was in 2011 when my company ordered some Honda Insights. It was, quite simply THE worst modern car I had ever driven. It had evidently been built to be as light as possible which meant that the interior was cheap, nasty and flimsy, the seats were dreadful and the suspension was appalling. And yet it still used more fuel than an old, 130,000 mile diesel VW Passat that I had at the same time.

I'm sure hybrid motors have improved since then, but diesels have too and I therefore doubt that the difference in running costs is going to be that great.

Plug-in hybrids are good if your journeys are mostly short (<30 miles) and you can park them off-road and charge them at home. The drawback is that once the batteries have run out, you're left with an overweight car powered by a small petrol engine, and fuel consumption will plummet.

The only plug-in hybrids that I'm aware of that are approved to tow are the Mitsubishi Outlander (but see post above) and the Golf and Passat GTE - but VW have currently suspended all orders on those!

If you're buying the car with the intention of keeping it a long time, my suggestion would be to wait another 12-18 months and see what happens, even if that means buying something cheap and second-hand as a stop gap in the meantime.



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25/1/2019 at 4:33pm
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If you are basing your choice on costs then I think you will find for a private buyer who wants a caravan tug the overall cost of ownership say over a 5yr period will be lower for a diesel than a hybrid of similar size & performance.


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Be careful as some like my bmw 330e can’t tow anything.


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I was talking to a guy towing a large 1500 kg swift with a phev at Easter, whilst he said it wouldn’t be a record breaker on steep hill it was quite capable.
He actually had it plugged into the car van site socket charging it up

Bessie


29/1/2019 at 10:52am
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Thank you everyone for your replies. I think we will have to steer clear of the hybrid at least for the time being. Have been looking at Hyundai Santa Fe. They are good old diesels but we know they do the job. If anyone tows with a petrol car I would be interested to know how you get on. Also considering the Honda CRV.

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Quote: Originally posted by luvmydogspitch on 29/1/2019
Thank you everyone for your replies. I think we will have to steer clear of the hybrid at least for the time being. Have been looking at Hyundai Santa Fe. They are good old diesels but we know they do the job. If anyone tows with a petrol car I would be interested to know how you get on. Also considering the Honda CRV.



We looked at the (early) Santa Fe and the Kia Sorento, liked both but as our caravan isn't that big or heavy they were a bit too thirsty for us. We settled for a 2007 Hyundai Tucson diesel auto, and it hardly notices when our caravan is on the back.

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If you're still looking to buy a lightweight caravan of 1200kg or so you don't need anything like the size of a Hyundai Santa Fe or Honda CRV for it. A reasonably powerful version of a Ford Focus or VW Golf would do the job (or Mondeo/Passat if you want the extra space) and be cheaper to buy and run.

I drove the new Santa Fe at an event hosted by Practical Caravan magazine, there's a report on their website (practicalcaravan.com). It seemed that I was the only one who didn't like it much!

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 28/1/2019
I was talking to a guy towing a large 1500 kg swift with a phev at Easter, whilst he said it wouldn’t be a record breaker on steep hill it was quite capable.
He actually had it plugged into the car van site socket charging it up

Bessie



there very thirsty when towing well under 20 mpg




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