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Personbazlam
31/3/2019 at 9:28pm
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Hi All, I live in London but store my van in Kent. Our beloved mayor has declared war on diesel cars and from 2021 I will have to pay £12.50 per day to drive my car a mile in any direction from my house. Clearly, I must sell my Kia Sorento before rip off motorists day. Any ideas about a suitable petrol replacement AWD? I tow a Sprite major (less than 1600kg fully laden). Please don't ask me to do the match test on the CAMC site, it's worse than useless.


PersonRob and Tina
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I think your caravan is lighter than you stated. We have a Major 4SB and had it replated to increase the MTPLM to 1500kg.

Are you looking at new or used cars? How big is your budget?

Do you want manual or auto?

Rob


Personbazlam
31/3/2019 at 10:10pm
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Hi Rob, I'm erring on the side of caution, it's about 1400kg plus equipment (we don't have an awning to carry either). My car is worth about £13000-14000, and I could probably manage 5 to 8 above that.


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Get the Mitsubishi phev that’s plated for 1500 kgs, that shiuld do daw one on a cc club site one we’re the owner was charging it up on site
He said it wouldn’t break any records with the van on but it did it

Bessie


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02/4/2019 at 8:01am
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Ford Kuga 1.5 Ecoboost petrol AWD Automatic ,tow up to 1800kg .i have just got one ,and i am amazed how much power it has ,had a 2lt petrol auto Honda CRV ,and it is so much more power than that.

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Quote: Originally posted by john&lynn on 02/4/2019
Ford Kuga 1.5 Ecoboost petrol AWD Automatic ,tow up to 1800kg .i have just got one ,and i am amazed how much power it has ,had a 2lt petrol auto Honda CRV ,and it is so much more power than that.



big difference between towing your pathfinder and a caravan tho, your car is rated as only just being suitable for towing any caravan, stability and weight ratio being the main problems


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Subaru Forester. Your budget will get you in one a couple of years old, with change and you will still have three years warranty which you will probably never need.


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Mitsubishi PHEV mpg is terrible towing,about 18mpg allegedly!

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Mitsubishi PHEV mpg is terrible towing,about 18mpg allegedly!

might be the best of a bad bunch

Bessie


Personneil and lena
02/4/2019 at 8:16pm
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Quote: Originally posted by bazlam on 31/3/2019
Hi All, I live in London but store my van in Kent. Our beloved mayor has declared war on diesel cars and from 2021 I will have to pay £12.50 per day to drive my car a mile in any direction from my house. Clearly, I must sell my Kia Sorento before rip off motorists day. Any ideas about a suitable petrol replacement AWD? I tow a Sprite major (less than 1600kg fully laden). Please don't ask me to do the match test on the CAMC site, it's worse than useless.


Kia Sportage GT line. 1.6 turbo petrol AWD 174bhp


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Personbazlam
02/4/2019 at 9:32pm
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Thank you all for your suggestions, keep them coming please.


Personbessie500
02/4/2019 at 10:16pm
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Kia Sportage GT line. 1.6 turbo petrol AWD 174bhp

Thats a small engine to push a fair size car + drive 4 wheels and tow a caravan, i'm not calling this particular car but surely somethings going to blow.

These high compression engines are failing due to too much being asked of them, throw a caravan on the back and watch the head pop

Bessie


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How about a Lexus RX450h (2009- 2015).. 3.5l petrol with around 200hp of electric power too.

Mpg around 30-35mpg in real life driving and I saw a couple of owners on the Lexus Owners site sat they get around 22mpg towing.

Your budget would get you one of the newer ones in those years... tow bars are readily available for those years.
Kerbweight around 2300kg and a towing limit of 2000kg.


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Any petrol tow car is unlikely to get much more than 25mpg when towing.

A starting point are the real mpg figures from honestjohn website. These will give you a good idea for none towing vehicles and you can then decide if a reduction of 30-50% on those figures is acceptable.

Hybrids may be an option, but check the fuel tank size. Some of them have very small tanks - Mitsubishi PHEV is only 45 litres. At 18 mpg that means very regular stops for fuel.


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03/4/2019 at 7:18pm
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Trouble with the Mitsubishi PHEV is once you deplete the small mains charged battery you're left with a heavy car powered by an normally aspirated petrol engine. As with any non turbo charged engine, it makes its power at higher revs so you generally need to rev it hard to drag along a heavy caravan which kills fuel consumption.

As for smaller turbo charged units, a petrol engine runs about half to 2/3 of the compression of a diesel engine so engine stresses should be well contained. To make these small units heat up quickly and for efficiency the turbos are water cooled so the main failures I've seen are cooling related. If the cooling system fails then you need to stop pretty much immediately, not like the old days when you could remove the cap and limp home by topping it up every 20 miles.

Kia offer a 7 year warranty and a towbar so they must be confident.

That said, While it may be a competent tow car, 1600Kg is a big van to drag so perhaps a Skoda Kodiaq 2.0 AWD, Audi Q5 2.0 or 3.0.









Personbazlam
04/5/2019 at 3:04pm
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Hi All, Many thanks for all your replies and suggestions. I'm about to buy a 2016 Sportage KX-3 CRDi 2.0 Auto. It meets the 85% ratio recommended, and it also has Euro 6 specification that my pipsqueak mayor insists on (no problem with that, but he brought the date forward by two years)! Again, many thanks.



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