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Subject Topic: Have I met the 85% rule? Post Reply Post New Topic
Personmicky_b
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Hi all,
I’m new to caravanning so please be gentle, I have just purchased a COACHMAN PASTICHE 460/2 2 BERTH YEAR 2006
UNLADEN WEIGHT 1260KG
MAXIMUM LADEN WEIGHT 1430KG
I am having conflicting advice ie my car is borderline. My car is a 2014 Mondeo tit X business edition. The plate on the pillar states as follows
9 - 2180
59- 3980
EZ- 1160
59- 1080
All KG am I right in thinking the last 2 are axel weights?
And that the gtw is 3980 and gvw is 2180 leaving me with a max of 1800 therefore I’m below the 85% rule?


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Just get the V50 document and check the Mondeo's kerbweight. Once you know that figure then you can calculate the percentage match of the car and caravan.


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Were you referring to the V5C? If so this is where I get confused the numbers on the V5C don’t correspond with the numbers I the door pillar ie: 9, 59,E


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Yes, sorry, I did mean the V5C document that used be known as the log book. However, ignore any code numbers as it should state the vehicle's kerbweight.


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The door pillar will be more accurate than the V5, and it is the door pillar anyone will look at if weights are ever checked.


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The kerbweight is not shown on the door pillar sticker, you need the details from the V5 or handbook to find the kerbweight.

Rob


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There is no 85% rule that's not the figure you need to go on. Do you have the correct license for towing or do you need to take a test.



Sennen


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Quote: Originally posted by freeatlast on 22/4/2019
The door pillar will be more accurate than the V5, and it is the door pillar anyone will look at if weights are ever checked.



May be, but that's exactly what the OP wants to know what the figures represent on the door pillar.


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By the looks of it the OP wants to know if he has met the 85% rule or guideline so he can ensure he has a stable outfit. That means ensuring the caravan MTPLM is at or below 85% of the kerb weight of the car.

The info on the door pillar is:

9 - 2180 This is the maximum fully loaded weight of the car.

59- 3980 This is the Gross Train Weight which is the maximum weight allowed for the car and caravan as actually loaded.

EZ- 1160 Max load permitted on car front axle.

59- 1080 Max load permitted on car rear axle.

Note that the kerb weight is not shown and cannot be deduced from the information on the door pillar. It should be shown in the car hand book or V5C.


Personmicky_b
22/4/2019 at 11:59pm
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Thank you all for the replies so far greatly appreciated, I am good re licence as i passed mt test in 1986.
on my V5C the weigths stated are

[Y] Revenue weight 2180 KG Gross

F.1 Max Permissable (Mass Exc M/C) 2180

G Mass in service 1565

O Technnical permissable maximum towable mass of the trailer:

0.1 Braked (KG) 1800

0.2 Unbraked 750

The reason i want to be at 85% percent is I have driven 7.5T Scaffold lorries for a living but never anything articulated.



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So that works out at 91%, the 85% is a rule of thumb not law, so it is still possible but just be careful until you get used to it and stick to the lower speed limits when towing, also check your nose weight and load the caravan correctly.

Rob

Post last edited on 23/04/2019 07:35:08


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Thanks Rob good to know I will be legal and will do. Pick her up next week I’m just going local the first few trips.
Mick


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Hi Micky i weighed my 2011 mondeo (same shape as yours)
it was a titanuim x and it weighed in at 1630kg empty car only, couple that with the 75kg allowance for the driver the true kerbweight is just over 1700 kgs

i used mine to tow a coachman camara 560/6 (6 birth) which weighed in at 1500kgs, then for the last 12 months a coachman 560/4 (4 birth)which weighs in at 1560kgs both towed spot on with no issues.

Your 2 birth will be a doddle for your car

Bessie


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Hi Micky

The figures you give mean that your Mondeo can legally tow a trailer weighing up to 1800kg. The 'mass in service' is the unladen weight of the car as it left the factory, and your caravan would weigh 91% of this even if loaded to its maximum capacity. Don't forget that the car will be a lot heavier than its mass in service when loaded with people and stuff for a holiday.

Your combination doesn't give me any concerns regarding instability, but if you need experience/reassurance just go away for a few weekends with the caravan lightly loaded to get a feel for how it behaves behind your car.

It's worth noting that the so-called '85% rule' is based solely on crudely estimated safety/stability and takes no account at all of performance. All versions of the Mondeo will weigh about the same irrespective of their engine or trim level, but the more power and torque you have the more comfortable towing a 1.4-tonne box behind your car will be.

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Thank you both for the replies it’s good to hear the car is ok from experienced drivers



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