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Personbilly
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Methinks Tony is havin’ a laff. See his other threads.

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we see them come and go

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I only want to point out facts so people spending their life savings on an EV understand the bad points dealers either don't tell you or do not know.
EV batteries are a type of dc deep cycle power and the main difference between lead acid & lithium is temperature.
Lead acid have a wide temperature range from -40c to +40c and lithium temperature range is +10c to +20c.
Hence EV's have thermal management systems to keep that temperature range with radiator and fluid circulation that will use power from the battery bank before you travel one mile.
So if you purchase an EV best to keep it in a garage in the cold winter months.
Even stop/start AGM batteries have temperature sensors on the battery for smart charging alternators to regulate/protect the battery.
With all types of dc deep cycle batteries they operate best with slow charging and slow discharging for extended battery life span.
Lithium batteries need a BMS (battery management system) to protect against high temperatures and over charging.
So even a 63 amp house 240 volt ac to dc charger can only put power into the battery bank at the rate regulated by the BMS hence, approximately 15 to 20 miles per one hour of charging time.
As outlinled previously fast dc to dc chargers reduce mileage range if used often.
Lithium battery cells require bottom balancing so each cell has equal power, one cell higher than the others will reduce mileage range.
Do not get carried away EV's are great, at the moment as a second run around vehicle for short trips not long journeys or towing.
The government is forcing us to buy EV's to meet international carbon reduction when doing the opposite. The electric london bus has a 6.5 litre Perkins diesel engine to provide electric power £350000 each that polute more than the old Route Master they replace.
The Royal Navy's new aircraft carriers have two huge Rolls Royce diesels engines for power.
Just 2 examples
You can only educate those who want to listen to the facts provided.
Good luck with your SUV EV towing experiences in the future and range anxiety/recovery.


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There is a city in China that has 6000 buses and 5000 taxis all electric powered.
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It is fair to say Tony that anybody daft enough to buy an EV today to tow a caravan would not understand any of what you have just posted.

More inaccuracies in your above post though. EVs can’t operate in cold temperatures ? Try telling the Norwegians. In Norway EVs are outselling ice cars.

If you want to educate people on random forums you need to post correct information. You have failed to fact check much of what you have posted which you could have done with a few minutes on google which is why I think you are on a wind up. Why ?

I think for blokes of a certain age who love their 2litre diesels there is a visceral hatred of EVs. EVs are the future I am afraid but I think us pensioners should still be able to tow caravans behind our diesel cars until the sad day comes when our kids relieve us of our car keys for our own safety & the safety of all other road users.

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Personsaxo1
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The all electric buses in service in London are all electric no diesel engine.
The first generation of the electric buses had a small ones diesel engine to provide additional power for heating.
The ones with a diesel engine on board aren't pure EVs they are hybrids.
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The new aircraft carriers are expected to use the no more fuel despite being three times as heavy.
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I assume(never assume) that the part about spending ones life savings on an EV is purely tongue firmly planted in cheek?

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PersonAncient Uncle
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When it comes to pollution, I think of all those pictures we see of oil wells and refineries with tall masts and giant flames leaping out burning off waste gases. I imagine they must be contributing quite a lot to the climate problem. Can they not be used to a more productive purpose instead of burnt to waste?


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The drive towards EVs in the UK is as much about reducing the pollution in our cities as it is about climate change.
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A lot of pollution comes from large numbers of coal burning power stations in places like China.

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Apparently Porsche have developed a fully synthetic petrol that can be used in any petrol engine, and claims to reduce emissions by 85% compared to current fuels.

Production of the fuel is set to start next year, so maybe the powers that be should have a rethink on banning sales of new fossil petrol cars in 10 years time, maybe the ban should just apply to diesel cars.

Personally I would still prefer to have a BEV if I was buying my own car, the running cost’s and maintenance for a BEV a fraction of that for a fossil car.

I accept the limitations of towing with current affordable BEV’s, so if I was to ever get a caravan I would have it in storage close to my campsite of choice in France, were the storage firm offer a drop of and pick up service to the pitch.

Although being a tent camper I could quite easily adjust to using a BEV, if it meant not being able to use my trailer.


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Quote: Originally posted by Ancient Uncle on 25/2/2021
When it comes to pollution, I think of all those pictures we see of oil wells and refineries with tall masts and giant flames leaping out burning off waste gases. I imagine they must be contributing quite a lot to the climate problem. Can they not be used to a more productive purpose instead of burnt to waste?


They can & do. What is being burn’t is lpg. It is a by product of the refining process & much of it is bottled caravanners etc for the use of. I recall decades ago you could look across the Thames from Southend to the Isle of Grain refinery & see the flame of the waste lpg being burn’t off but I don’t think they do that now.


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It is local pollution in cities that is an issue as well as climate change. Where EVs or even plug in hybrids in zero emission mode really score is city driving.

If you go global than one issue seldom mentioned is the export of used cars & trucks from UK & Western Europe & also Japan & USA to much poorer countries. These vehicles are then used with little maintenance for years until they fall apart & cause appalling local pollution.

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EVs should make little difference to the amount of scrapped cars exported.
Every new EV sold will mean there will be one less scrap ICE in the future, also the current tendency to change an ICE vehicle for a new ICE vehicle will diminish as the die hard ICE devotees will hang on to their present model if they are unable to replace it.
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I can’t even be bothered to read all his post as its full of errors personally I think he’s just a wind up merchant, For the record I have a plug in hybrid that I charge at home via a standard 3 pin plug,

It charges at 10amps and works just fine, no it won’t pull our caravan, so I changed my wife’s car to do that. It’s still relatively new, I think its got about 6k on the clock with over 5k in pure electric mode, the saving to me has been astronomical as for cost its 8.5% more than the equivalent diesel.

At 290bhp and a petrol head they make a great fun to drive car

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