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via mobile 03/6/2021 at 1:05pm
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I have a mercedes viano 2.2 which has been remapped so has plenty torque to pull a train.... or so I thought. Feel pretty underwhelmed about it pulling a bailey pegasus ancona. Seems to struggle more than I expected it to pulling the caravan. Gear changes are more frequent than I expected and I noticed last time towing that it even slowed the van down, going down a decline. I put it in neutral just to see as it felt like I was still driving it down the hills, and the van started slowing down? Going up a hill i was almost changing down to 3rd to get up it, felt like pulling a dead weight.
So I pulled over and felt the wheels/brakes on the caravan to see if they were warm/hot but they were not.
What else would cause this? Don't expect to be racing about but would have thought my viano would pull this no problem, not struggle like its pulling a 30ft static.
On another hill 20 mile or so down the road it seemed different and the van did not feel as sluggish, put in neutral and it coasted down building up speed as I would expect?
Has an alko hitch so maybe faulty?
Any advice or anyone experienced similar issues?
Cheers paul


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Going downhill you still have the massive wind resistance to overcome and that will slow you.
I'd be wary of remap increasing power etc because it must over load the transmission.


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I would agree with Navver about wind resistance, a lot of people don't always take this into account. Weight is not the only consideration when towing.

Not quite so applicable in this case, but when people talk about towing with small, low-powered cars, wind resistance is even more important. Often a relatively small, lightweight caravan has the same frontal area as a large twin-axle one, so wind drag has a huge effect.

Coming back to the Mercedes, this is quite a substantial vehicle. I don't know the relative weights of the viano and the caravan, but I would imagine the whole outfit is quite heavy for a 2.2 engine.


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 03/6/2021
I would agree with Navver about wind resistance, a lot of people don't always take this into account. Weight is not the only consideration when towing.

Not quite so applicable in this case, but when people talk about towing with small, low-powered cars, wind resistance is even more important. Often a relatively small, lightweight caravan has the same frontal area as a large twin-axle one, so wind drag has a huge effect.

Coming back to the Mercedes, this is quite a substantial vehicle. I don't know the relative weights of the viano and the caravan, but I would imagine the whole outfit is quite heavy for a 2.2 engine.




Thats a fair point about wind resistance and the overall weight of the whole rig, just didn't think it would seem to struggle as much.
The 2 declines I mention were on the same journey last week, one it startedbto slow down and the other it speeds up. Felt like I was pulling a different caravan. That's why I checked the heat at the brakes of the caravan and it felt like they must have been on and dragging me back?
I did have a ford transit several years ago and a buccaneer argosy caravan which was prob heavier than my current caravan and towed this all the way to Devon from North east. Cant seem to remember like that van struggled as much, buy maybe it did?
My viano pulls away through the gears with ease its just maintaining the speed at 60 with slight inclines that I thought would be easier, with less gear changes....... and the mpg.... does 40mpg on a steady run normally, with the caravan I'm lucky if its getting 17mpg. Maybe that's also normal?


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Quote: Originally posted by Pappa583 on 03/6/2021

Thats a fair point about wind resistance and the overall weight of the whole rig, just didn't think it would seem to struggle as much.
The 2 declines I mention were on the same journey last week, one it startedbto slow down and the other it speeds up. Felt like I was pulling a different caravan. That's why I checked the heat at the brakes of the caravan and it felt like they must have been on and dragging me back?
I did have a ford transit several years ago and a buccaneer argosy caravan which was prob heavier than my current caravan and towed this all the way to Devon from North east. Cant seem to remember like that van struggled as much, buy maybe it did?
My viano pulls away through the gears with ease its just maintaining the speed at 60 with slight inclines that I thought would be easier, with less gear changes....... and the mpg.... does 40mpg on a steady run normally, with the caravan I'm lucky if its getting 17mpg. Maybe that's also normal?



That does seem strange about those downhill stretches. You did exactly as I would have done checking that the caravan brakes weren't dragging. Maybe the gradients were in different directions? Wind behind you on one, and a head-wind on the other?

Reminds me of years ago when I tried pulling a caravan with a VW air-cooled van. Even the slightest of head-winds and it wouldn't pull top gear.


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